UFC 167 Could be the End of the Line for the Loser of Frank Mir vs. Alistair Overeem

September 19, 2013
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Alistair Overeem vs Frank MirUFC 167 could be the end of the line for one UFC big man.

Former UFC champion Frank Mir and former Strikeforce champion Alistair Overeem square off in a feature bout at UFC 167 – the promotion’s 20th Anniversary event – but it could be the last time we see the loser in the Octagon.

UFC president Dana White met with reporters at a media day scrum in Toronto on Thursday. When he was asked if it was a do-or-die situation for Mir and Overeem, he didn’t mince words.

White responded, “Definitely.”

It would be an odd thing to see the UFC’s heavyweight roster without Mir’s name listed.

Mir has been fighting in the Octagon since 2001, debuting for the UFC in the third fight of his professional career.

He has held the UFC heavyweight championship and the interim version of it. He has more fights, wins, and finishes than any other heavyweight in the promotion’s history.

Mir has racked up an overall record of 16-8, but enters the fight with Overeem having lost three consecutive bouts to Junior dos Santos, Daniel Cormier, and Josh Barnett.

Overeem (36-13, 1 NC) is one of the most decorated heavyweight champions in combat sports not to hold the UFC belt. He is a Strikeforce and Dream champion in mixed martial arts, and is a K-1 World Grand Prix champion in kickboxing.

He entered the Octagon having won 10 of his 11 most recent fights, which included a no-contest decision in a fight with Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic. But, Overeem has only won a single fight since making the jump from Strikeforce to the Octagon, where he has fought three times.

Overeem enters the fight with Mir off of back-to-back knockout losses to Antonio “Bigfoot” Silva and Travis Browne.

His tenure has also been mired in controversy due to failing a surprise out-of-competition drug test in Nevada, which derailed his shot at the heavyweight championship.

UFC welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre headlines the UFC 167 fight card, putting his belt on the line against No. 1 contender Johny Hendricks on Nov. 16 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

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  • bajafox

    Do or die is right, but one of them needs to stick around as the gate keeper

  • Kenny powers

    You know its a tough decision. When you really look at it, the loser of this fight is still a top 10 fighter and still better than a lot of guys at HW. Yes Mir has lost 3 in a row, but all to former champions and top 5 HW’s. And Overeem lost 2 in a row but he was destroying both of them first then got caught. I think the level of competition these guys fight deserves some acknowledgement. Otherwise, guys like Pat Barry should be cut, even tho i love Pat Barry. Pause.

    • solo

      exactly. the problem with Mir is that, in his last fights he faced only top level competition. You look at the fight against Roy Nelson, he dominanted him. i think when he lost to JDS, UFC should give him lower opponent to work his way back up slowly, and not put him with animals like DC and Josh. The bottom line is that HW division will lose a big name after this one.

    • Werdoomb

      “Should” be cut if it were the case that the UFC was a professional MMA organization and not an MMA promoter.

      Mir and Reem make at least x3 the amount undercard filler guys like Pat Barry make.

      Sure they carry PPV power, which, however, is directly related to their skills. If skills go down, then PPV power goes down.

      It will be weird to see a loser of this fight headlining a card immediately after the loss. Co-main event wouldn’t make sense either since co-main events are usually given to top guys fighting to contendership.

      This leaves the UFC with a choice of placing the loser on a 3rd slot on a main event. But the 3rd slot is usually reserved for up-and-coming guys that are not paid well. The payout will be difficult for the UFC to handle since the UFC not only has to pay $400k to the loser but also have to go find four other highly paid guys for the main and co-main events. The math simply doesn’t work.

      Of course, the loser could negotiate a pay cut. But the loser wouldn’t do that since Bellator will be more than happy to pick him up.

  • MMA sense the 80’s

    Dana is the new Milk man, If he can get 3 Pay per views from the same fight , he loves it . Rematch & Rubber matches are the Gravy spoon of MMA.

    Dan Hardy lost 4 in row but you got to milk that Europe MMA fan.

    • JDMMA

      Yes but Dan Hardy doesnt get paid $285k (overeem) or $200k (Mir)
      it is all about $$$$

      • Werdoomb

        this is 100% on point.

      • Werdoomb

        Also, Nog is a national hero in Brazil and the UFC needs Akiyama for the Japan card.

        • Dragon Kid

          Akiyama? Is that guy still around cos I haven’t seen him in ages. I thought Okami would’ve been a better fit to headline Japan fight cards

  • Tiddy28

    I can understand why Mir would be cut if he lost since that’d be four straight losses, but let’s be honest, Mir has never been shy about from fighting the best UFC heavyweights on the roster. I hope he doesn’t get cut either way. I’m a big fan

  • Mark McDowall

    I think the winner needs to win impressively otherwise they should both be done. There are plenty of gate keepers in the HW division…time to start cutting the fat.

    On that point…lets go Mir!!!

  • Jay Mcgarrity

    Is this really news? Tell us something we didn’t already know. When the announcement of this fight came up we all said this.

    • Werdoomb

      Ken Pishna is not a good analyst.

      A better title would have been “Should” the loser leave town. As to the question of “could” the loser leave, YES! Yes! Yes!

    • http://www.CombatScienceMMA.com/ CombatScienceMMA

      Yes we all knew this but now we can all talk about it on here.

  • BobGyro

    get him frank

  • Get-To-The-Choppa

    HGH vs TRT…”The Showdown”

    • Werdoomb

      lol..cheater vs cheater.

  • michigan love

    Why does the UFC have to cut either guy from their roster. MIR is the guy that a lot of guys have to get through to prove themselves in the UFC. Overeem is a guy that I love seeing get knocked out! I want Overeem to fight Velasquez, Roy Nelson, and Dos Santos! and i want to see him get knocked out each time. It’s great watching that big steroid freak being demolished! Travis Browne kicked his Butt! It was great!

    • TheCerealKiller

      I’m with you! These roid head PRIDE guys all need to go. I hope Josh gets crushed by Browne.

  • Werdoomb

    The politics/business aspect of UFC is getting ridiculous.

    Nog can’t beat a top 10 guy. In fact, I would put him below Mir and Reem. Nog is still in the game because he beats cans like Pee-Wee Herman and Brenden Schaub. Make him fight the likes of Travis Browne, Bigfoot, DC, Barnett, and JDS, and let’s see how well (or poorly) he does against them.

    The UFC has this thing for foreign fighters and developing new markets. Save Nog for the Brazil card!!! Save Hardy for the UK card!!!! Save Akiyama for the Japan card!!!! Jesus….

    • nuruyama

      you took something wrong.. akiyama doesnt have popularity among japanese mma fans at all ..

    • bajafox

      Problem is Mir ASKED for those fights. He wanted top competition to make another title run, which he is obviously far from ever getting again. I like Mir, I hope he stays, but I doubt he would stick around to fight cans

  • Anthony S.Garrone

    It seems they keep feeding both these guys to the sharks and now they want to cut one of them now. I hope Mir stays and Overeem goes.

  • Ron Wheeler

    There are a load of fat slugger doofus heavyweights both these guys can beat most of the time. A couple are on this card… They both should stay but the loser on the grounds of earning way back up via the prelims.