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There was a lot of controversy surrounding Phil Davis’ UFC 163 decision victory over Lyoto Machida, but he’s ready to put that controversy to bed. He talked about why he won the fight on a recent episode of Inside MMA with Ron Kruck and Bas Rutten.
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total crap Machida win all the way ..come om Bass say it laud
When they announced Phil’s name I was shocked. I’m a big fan of both of them and I wasn’t rooting for either fighter but after thinking about the fight I somewhat agree with the judges. I thought Davis would get wrecked on the feet but he hung in there with a real dangerous martial artist. Those were very tough takedowns to get and he worked for them. If the takedowns don’t; count for anything then what good is wrestling in this sport.
To be fair if takedowns are worth so much more than everything else why strike? You have people getting lit up on the feet and then they go for a takedown and win the round. I just feel much like a lot of people in that the rules need to be updated and make it so you cant just get a takedown at the end of the round and somehow win the round.
I agree with you somewhat. But when the fight was close on the feet and the guy gets a takedown then it has to mean something. Like I said, I’m an equal fan of both and I expected Phil to get destroyed in the stand up. He hung in there. The fight just had to go to somebody. This fight could have almost been a draw. But I do understand and respect your opinion.
I think the current scoring is making for boring fights. Takedowns should be a means to an end not a way to squeak out a decision win. I’d go so far as to say that they shouldn’t score anything unless the takedown itself does damage. Otherwise just score the damage done after the fight goes to the ground. If it’s done by the guy on the bottom then that’s the fault of the guy on top. 8 of 10 takedowns stopped and yet Davis get’s all the credit in scoring for the two he gets.
I understand. Just such a tough fight; and although 8 of 10 takedowns was stopped the fight had to go to somebody.
Ok, so stopping 8-10 takedowns isn’t “octagon control”… If you want the fight on the feet and you keep it there most the fight, you should win. A take down should mean something, but not SO much more than stopping one. Again, had Davis not gone for as many I would feel different, but keeping the fight on the feet when the opp. wants it on the ground should be worth as much as getting it to the ground.
I get where your coming from but I think in the judges eyes they figured it was up to Machida to throw in something different. He could have became more aggressive or he could have tried to take the fight to the ground.I wish they interviewed the judges on this fight because I’am curious to what would have happened if Machida earned two takedowns of his own.
I was shocked too, not because I disagree with the decision but because judges usually love Machida and it was in Brazil. I thought it was a pre-determined conclusion to be honest.
That’s two wins for Phil in Brazil now.
Takedowns count for something when you use the takedowns for something significant.
takedowns don’t count for anything, when you get them at the end of the rounds only for the sake of points.
Yeah he took him down twice! Near the end of the rounds, while having no damage inflicted for 20seconds. Take downs have way too much value by themselves. Control and damage should be taken into consideration with a holistic view of take downs. Lyoto landed the more significant strikes, while Davis only traded with little impact on the stand up. Just because your busy, doesn’t really mean much when you cant inflict any damage while the other guy who is picking you apart strategically. I think there should be a review of the UFC rules or the judges should be trained with a better knowledge or MMA.
He obviously won because in a real fight when you take someone down they melt into a puddle of blood and die.
At least phil davis doesn’t have to worry about being surrounded by a bunch of yes men. The guy is his own yes man. Keep thinking you won that fight buddy…
this is only a topic of discussion because the general public felt the win was given to the wrong fighter.machida won that fight , judges need to do a better job.
Phil Davis and everyone else knows that Lyoto Machida got flat out robbed of the decision. Bottom line.
But of course Phil doesn’t want to admit it, b/c he wants to be in the title picture. This way, he can claim that he now has victories over 3 top 10 opponents, including the rightful #1 contender Lyoto.
A man being dominated on the feet who manages to get two takedowns should not win a match.
A guy who was barely beat on the feet gets two takedowns, I can see how he got this decision.
It’s one thing to think Machida won the stand up, but some people act like Machida was firing off haymakers left and right and that Phil was lucky to survive. The more accurate description in my opinion is Phil threw a bunch of awful strikes and occasionally Machida would put in the effort to counter
Seriously how is this such a big deal. Wrong decision? Possibly. Worst decision in UFC history? Hell it doesn’t even crack the top 20.
Machida DID dominate him on the feet. He wasn’t extra aggressive about it, but Machida wanted the fight standing, and succeeded for about 90% of the bout.
Machida landed far more strikes, all of them being significant strikes, while avoiding all damage and making Phil punch air or fail a takedown attempt.
Phil landed next to nothing (all of his strikes came when he finally got a takedown at the end of the 1st 2 rounds).
Ultimately, Machida won 90% of the round on the feet, but Phil got the takedown at the end of the round and peppered some strikes. Judges decided to give it to Phil. Terrible decision? YES. As you said, worst decision in UFC? No. Probably not top 20.
End of story. Move on from here.
Davis showed up to fight & win. Machida showed up to win by points and it backfired. I had Davis winning 2 rounds to 1. Machida can go have a sook & whine all he wants.
Not sure what fight you were watching. Machida showed up how he always does. Machida fought his fight and drew Davis into his fight. That is how Machida always fights. Sometimes he lands a big shot and finishes, but usually not. Davis was the one who came in to win by points. If you go back and watch other phil davis fights he never fights like that. He was afraid to commit to anything and afraid to take it to Machida because he didn’t want to end up like another Randy or Bader on a highlight reel. When people go for the late round takedown it is a round stealing strategy to win by points so don’t get it twisted son.
Machida’s style is not a very judge friendly style, that is just how he fights. I am not really a fan of either of these guys but was shocked when they announced phil as the winner. I would be pissed if I was Machida but he pulled a bigger robbery off on Shogun so it all evens out in the end I guess. He got the nod against Dan as well in a close fight which some think Dan won. That fight was so uneventful I would’ve just given them both losses though.
machida won by points against hendo because he was afraid to engage with him and yet it became a snoozefest. all machida did for three rounds was run from dan.
he came into this fight with the same routine approach and it didnt work this time. davis stayed busy all three rounds while machida only landed a few strikes every now and then (after the first round). machida = first class complainer
Machida makes for boring fights. I hope he loses more fights this way. Most great fighters are know for some type of attack, Machida is known for “evading” people. I’m gonna continue “evading” every PPV of his.
I have yet to hear a fighter say “I am surprised I won, I actually thought I lost”
It would be a refreshing day when we do hear that. I think if Davis had come out and said something similar then he would have done himself a lot more positives than claiming the decision is correct.
Rampage actually said that after his fight with Machida but dana white and others told him he was crazy and won 2 rounds to 1 easy. I guess since he got beat up in the 3rd he felt like he lost.
From what I remember Phil was on his back too at some point, yet it did not cost him the fight.
The only round that Davis could have won was round 2, and I had it 30-27 Machida.
Wow 30-27 is big time. I do agree that Davis not getting the takedowns till the end of the rounds is what really hurt him. The decision has been made and is final but I’am curious to how you and everyone else feel about the fight itself. Was it boring? Would you mind a rematch ever? To bad Sonnens fighting Shogun b/c I wouldn’t mind Phil fighting Shogun.
I expected Machida to win by Ko. Davis did better then I would have thought standing but in my opinion still fell short. I am not interested in a rematch.
Hey Phil, you failed to mention that your “In Control” Take Downs lasted a whopping total of 1 minute and resulted in ZERO damage. You were NOT the aggressor and you gave the illusion of staying “busier” by going for Take Downs out of desperation. “In control” was Machida punching your face, putting knees in your ribs and stopping 8 of 10 Take Downs for 14 minutes. Peace Out!
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