Making the Case for Nate Diaz vs. Anthony Pettis

May 7, 2012
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When Nate Diaz submitted Jim Miller on Saturday night to cap off the UFC on Fox 3 card from New Jersey, he solidified his place at the top of the contender’s list in the lightweight division.

UFC president Dana White declared that Diaz was now in line for a shot at the winner of the upcoming fight between Benson Henderson and Frankie Edgar, and if he wanted to sit out and wait, they would gladly afford him that benefit.

Diaz opted to wait and will most likely sit for the majority of 2012 awaiting Henderson and Edgar to battle again later this year, so he can face the winner with the belt on the line.

The hardest part about that whole scenario might be former WEC champion Anthony Pettis, who has been told on more than one occasion that he was getting a title shot, only to have the rug pulled out from under him.

When Pettis defeated Benson Henderson to win the WEC lightweight title prior to the promotion being merged with the UFC, he was expected to face the winner of a title fight between Frankie Edgar and Gray Maynard. Little did Pettis know at the time that Edgar and Maynard would fight to a draw, and have to do it all over again later that year.

Instead of sitting and waiting, Pettis opted to take another fight and ended up losing a close decision to Clay Guida, which knocked him down the ladder a bit, but not very far as it turns out.

Edgar and Maynard settled their rivalry 10 months after their initial battle in January 2011, but then Edgar went on to lose in a close contest to Benson Henderson.

Henderson won a unanimous decision on the scorecards, but many in attendance and scoring at home believed it was Edgar who should have walked out of that fight with the gold belt around his waist. Either way, following the fight, it was believed that Pettis, who also won on the same card, would get the first crack at Henderson seeing as he was the last man to defeat him while in the WEC.

Well, that was not meant to be either as Edgar was given an immediate rematch instead. Pettis went back on the shelf, and is still waiting  for his title shot to happen.

Fast forward to Saturday night and after Diaz’s win. It seemed all too perfect for Pettis to face the Stockton, Calif., native later this year with the winner then getting the victor in the rematch between Henderson and Edgar.

“Nate Diaz thinks he’s the No. 1 contender. I think I’m the No. 1 contender. So let’s figure out who’s the real No. 1 contender,” Pettis said after Diaz’s win on Saturday night.

For Diaz, the choice to wait is obviously his, but waiting can also come at a steep price, just ask former light heavyweight champion Rashad Evans.

Following a win over Quinton “Rampage” Jackson at UFC 114, Evans was handed a title shot against then champion Mauricio “Shogun” Rua. The problem was Rua suffered an injury, and the fight was delayed several months.

In the process of waiting for Rua to get healthy, Evans finally got his shot at UFC 128 in March 2011. Unfortunately, this time it was Evans who suffered a last minute training injury and was forced out of the fight, and instead watched his former teammate Jon “Bones” Jones go out and defeat Rua and capture the title.

For the next year, between injuries and bad timing, Evans never got a shot at Jones or the light heavyweight title, until finally at UFC 145 in April he got his chance – nearly two years after defeating Jackson at UFC 114.

The fact is there are no guarantees when it comes to title shots or the perils that come along with waiting for them to happen. Who’s to say that Henderson and Edgar won’t fight to another razor close decision with Edgar coming out on top this time, and then Henderson asking for another shot?

Obviously injuries are a part of the sport so what happens if the winner of the fight between Henderson and Edgar aren’t ready to go again before sometime in 2013? Will Diaz miss out on multiple paydays and stay inactive for the better part of a whole year waiting?

A No. 1 contender’s match up between Diaz and Pettis just makes the most sense for both fighters. With Pettis recovered from shoulder surgery, he says he could be ready for a late summer showdown with the former Ultimate Fighter winner, even potentially on the same card as the rematch between Henderson and Edgar.

“I’m feeling good, rehab’s going great, surgery went awesome, just ready to get back in there,” said Pettis.

He even believes he has the perfect game plan set forth to go out and beat Nate Diaz, should he get the chance to face him in the Octagon.

“Carlos Condit showed the blueprint on how to beat these guys, and I think my style of striking is just like his,” Pettis explained. “It’s going to be a tough fight. It’s not an easy fight at all, but I think my style is a great match-up for him.”

If Pettis is forced to sit by the wayside, potentially looking at two more fights before even sniffing a title shot, there almost seems to be a level of injustice at work here. Nothing is Diaz’s fault of course, he was given his choice and his choice was to wait.

But knowing the fighting spirit and hunger that seems to drive all of the fighters at Team Cesar Gracie, it’s hard to believe that a month or two from now, Diaz won’t want to get back in the cage and compete again instead of sitting and watching everybody else get in there and fight.

As far as Pettis goes, he’s a company man and he’ll do whatever the UFC asks of him, but deep down inside he knows that if he’s not fighting for the title next, a bout against Diaz for the No. 1 contender’s spot is the least he should expect.

“It sucks for me. Everybody’s getting rematches. I’m just kind of stuck,” said Pettis. “I was supposed to get a title shot when I first came in, it didn’t happen. Two years later I’m still waiting for a title shot. When it happens, I’m going to be ready.”


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  • http://www.facebook.com/howard.brammer howardbrammer

    I think Nate should fight to stay sharp and keep his name in the mix. It is a huge risk though. At least if he fights Pettis he will get props for not taking the easy way out!!

    • ar

      Pettis???? Really! Wow.
      So Pettis should fight Diaz lol? Why? Pettis needs to prove he has somewhat of a ground game. Clay guida beat him down three fights ago. So say Pettis fights Edgar, Frankie is gonna take him down and smash him. Don’t want to see that. I don’t think Pettis can beat maynard, Jim miller, and I’ll even go as far and say guida would smash him again. So the UFC should just forget about those other contenders that will beat Pettis. Diaz sit and wait or have el niño come to the UFC and smack Pettis around Bcus he is being wasted of at strikeforce

      • rsnowbass

        “Guida beat him down three fights ago.” Really….REALLY? That was a very uneventful fight to say the least. No damage done to either fighter. Guida did nothing but press him against the fence and did nothing with it all fight…he just kept trying to get a takedown that was never secured.

        In my opinion (which doesn’t mean much) if a fighter has you pressed agasinst the fence trying for a takedown that lasts more than half the round…and that takedown never gets secured and is successfully defended…the points should go AGAINST you. That was a fight won on points and octagon control. Yes, Guida won and it was Guida’s style fight, but saying Pettis got “beatdown” by Guida is pretty redicilous.

        • rsnowbass

          Maybe not “against you” but as for scoring it should stay neutral.

        • ar

          So if guida beat him on points and octagon control what do you think Edgar is gonna do if he fight Pettis? Throw kicks with him? No! It will be the same as the guida fight. And I don’t want to see that and there are better contenders out there then Pettis. Nate has the best win streak going in the division. Pettis needs a few more fights

      • shakejunt

        pettis has a ground game, you fool. he was way more active from his back than guida was on top and he sure as hell proved he can wrestle when stephens decided he didn’t want any of pettis standing.

        idk whose jock you’re on, but it seems like you’re afraid they may get knocked off.

        • ar

          Lol! You just said he has a ground game from his back! Wow! We know your mindset! So fighting from
          Your back constitutes a ground game? Study up son

          • rsnowbass

            Having good defense from your back is a huge part of the ground game.

          • bammargera

            “Your back constitutes a ground game?” Of course it does, you are ignorant.

            Fighting from your back is one of the most basic concepts of bjj. Its called “the guard”… There’s “X” guard, spider, open, de la riva, half, etc… and yes, its all off your back.

            Where do you think most triangles and sweeps come from? Have you heard of an Omaplata? yea, thats an attack that can start from the back…

            Time for you go back to WWE…

          • bammargera

            AR – you’re one of the more dumber people I’ve seen on these boards.

          • phrankthetank

            Yea…. I don’t even know how to respond to that….

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=513574780 mattmolloy

            “So fighting from
            Your back constitutes a ground game?”
            Ummm…let’s see here…how about a big fat YES!!
            Genuinely, in the world of reality, you’re on the ground in MMA when you’re on your back. From fights I’ve seen, guys have pulled guard to purposely fight off their back. I don’t know what MMA you”re watching, but you’re the one who needs to “study up son.”
            Worst post in a MMA forum ever lol

      • LAW OF FIST

        Really! Wow. r u that dumb? Pettis has a wicked ground game and is very similar to diaz skill wise, they r both killers in ju jit su and striking. Clay Guida didn’t beat him down for three rounds he held on for dear life without doing any damage and without trying for any submissions it was the worst lay and pray fight ive seen in a long time! Plus Pettis has a victory over the Champ Ben Henderson.

      • Guy Smiley

        LOL I actually just registered simply to write how ignorant you are for this statement. “Prove he has a ground game” ????? Are you blind or just not that intelligent? Seriously man, you just made a fool out of yourself lol

      • mich1fan

        clearly you didnt watch the pettis and guida fight if you think he “smashed” him. if the judges knew anything about fighting they would have gave that fight to pettis. guida just took him down and literally didnt do ANYTHING. Pettis was active from bottom from start to finish. guida didnt attempt any subs, or land really ANY strikes. the worst lay and pray i’ve ever seen. i do agree diaz should wait because title shots dont come around often, but pettis is a lot better than you think. Pettis would destroy miller, and can beat any LW out there. Clearly cause he is the last one to beat the current champ. watch the fights before you comment on them

  • rogerdoger

    Yeah these are my favorite dudes at lightweight along with barboza. This would be a sick fight, both got great stand up, great ground and best of all they’re both game and come to fight. They both deserve shots, and I hope they get them soon. And I wouldnt wish an injury on anybody but I hope frankie somehow gets pulled from the fight and they get Diaz in there to fight bendo.

  • LAW OF FIST

    im getting tired of all these guys sitting out when there healthy, especially Condit they made him the interim champ because GSP is injured, whats the point in having an interim champ if he’s not gunna fight?

    • leugim41004

      It was pointless but then again Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira may have been the only guy in ufc history to defend the interim title against some one that wasn’t the official champ

      • phrankthetank

        Yea, but that was an even bigger disgrace. Nog was the interim champ, couture was the champ, instead of unifying the belts, they had Lesnar fight couture and Mir fight nog. What the hell is the point of an interim belt when you have the champ fight a guy who’s 2-1 in his career instead of unifying the belt??

  • LAW OF FIST

    Diaz vs Pettis would be good!

  • Towers66

    Dunham, Barboza, Stephens, Cerrone, Pettis, henderson, guida, Maynard, Diaz and Edgar….what a sweet upper tier the lightweight division has. I want Diaz to get the shot more than anything but I think a Pettis/Diaz fight would be the right thing. It could be a main event, I’d rather watch that fight than edgar/benson anyday.

  • RubeKegal

    Pettis would trash this bum

  • phrankthetank

    This would be a great fight and given the amount of rematches at lw recently, it’s a good idea to stay active. I say Nate takes it though. Pettis is a stud and he’ll be fighting for the belt someday but the dude is young and still developing. He’ll be better every fight but I don’t like his chances in this one. Diaz is on a tear.

  • http://www.bloodyfists.net/forums/index.php SHORT_BUS

    This whole cluster fu@k could be avoided if they’d stop with the immediate rematches. The LW division has been a mess for the past 2 years, time to free it up and get things moving.

    • AdamBianski

      You are right I hate these immediate rematches. Which is another reason why I hate 3 and 5 round fights. If they would have 5 round main card fights and 7 round title fights so much would be solved.
      1.Less decisions.
      2.The UFC would not have to put so many card fillers on (fights you don’t care about to take up space).
      3.I only have those two points just wanted to look cool.
      4.Point 2 would cause more free fights (which they should have one a weak) to pump up young and up and coming fighters.
      5.Diaz and Pettis should fight PERIOD

      • mich1fan

        thats the dumbest shit i’ve ever heard. like theres not enough guys that gas out already. how many HW’s do you think can fight for 5 rounds, or 7? No one wants to watch to guys gassed out and not be able to do anything. last time i checked thats not exciting. also you need those fights to build guys up and become the jones’, gsp’s, and rory’s. you think all the guys “you want” to see just woke up one day famous great fighters who everyone wanted to watch.

      • mich1fan

        thats the dumbest thing i’ve ever heard. like theres not enough guys that gas out already. how many HW’s do you think can fight for 5 rounds, or 7? No one wants to watch to guys gassed out and not be able to do anything. last time i checked thats not exciting. also you need those fights to build guys up and become the jones’, gsp’s, and rory’s. you think all the guys “you want” to see just woke up one day famous great fighters who everyone wanted to watch.

        • AdamBianski

          Maybe you need to read everything I put down before you post. I said more free events to hear about these up and comers. I think your argument about guys gassing out is very week if a guy can’t go for five rounds then he should not be in the show. I really can’t remember the last time I saw a top teir fighter gas out in a big fight. If Big Country can go without gassing then anyons should.

          • phrankthetank

            Less decisions? Name 3 fights that have been finished in the 5th round. Now imagine another 2 rounds on top of that. The up and comers have the small shows, the prelims, strikeforce, and bellator. The current system works just fine. Between the big 3 promotions you have fights almost every week. Note, week – measure of time. Weak – lack of strength

        • AdamBianski

          What big name HW gasses other then Carwin and where is he. I see that you think I am dumb but give me an example of a fighter gassing in a five rd fight that has been champ in the paast few years. Still funny to me you call me dumb without reading what I have to say (fool).

  • KBEsq

    I love how the Diaz brothers portray this image of fighters that don’t care about anything but fighting, and championships aren’t important.

    This would be an awesome fight. I’d be just as excited about this fight as I would Diaz/Henderson or Edgar. I truly dislike the Diaz brothers, but I cannot deny that Nate has dominated some pretty legitimate competition in his last fights. The “case” for Diaz/Pettis doesn’t even need to be made because it sells itself.

    • AdamBianski

      I like the way you dislike the Diaz brothers but still have the ability to see that they make for exciting fights. They come to fight that is why I like them (you sound like a closet Diaz fan)

      • KBEsq

        I am not a Diaz fan. I’m just not going to disrespect their ability just because I don’t like them. Nate just out-struck Cerrone when Cerrone had been walking through that Division, and he just choked out Jim Miller. The Miller fight was particularly impressive because Miller did not play into Diaz strengths, and he still got beat. Miller was trying to close the distance, but Nate had a good clinch game and take down defense.

        I’m always going to hate the way the Diaz brothers look at fighting though. It’s childish the way they taunt during the fight, and won’t touch gloves. I’m not saying Diaz doesn’t deserve a title shot. I’m just saying he shouldn’t wait it out. Fans want to see him fight more, and Diaz fighting in the interim would be more consistent with the image the Diaz brothers try to portray.

        • AdamBianski

          Either way I respect the way you can watch a good fighter and see it even though you hate him.

  • Towers66

    I think phrank is right. Short Bus makes a good point as well. RubeKegal you are obviously bias so your opinion is shit. If you think Diaz does not stand a good chance if not a more than likely chance of beating pettis…then you are simply just not a Diaz fan.

  • bajafox

    “Carlos Condit showed the blueprint on how to beat these guys,…”

    Yea, run like hell! hahahaha

    • shakejunt

      yeah condit should have just went rope-a-dope and let diaz pepper him, much better strategy -_-

    • phrankthetank

      Both guys went in with a gameplan, condit won. If nick can’t find a different strategy than what he does every single fight he deserved to lose. Condit has finished all but 2 of his opponents. Get over it, I’m sick of the “running” bullshit.

      • RonnieV

        Condit had a great game plan, and it was a very close fight. I don’t think there is another welterweight that could enforce that strategy on Diaz(maybe GSP). Condit had great conditioning, and was able to stick & move for 25 minutes. Nick doesn’t need to change anything, if he fought Condit again, he would obviously be more aggressive with takedowns, but it would still be a close fight. I still believe that fight could have gone either way, but I won’t discredit Condit…. very smart game plan.

        • phrankthetank

          You just rebutted your own point, you said he doesn’t need to change anything, he just needs to come in more aggressive and go for more takedowns. That would be changing something. However, that’s not what I meant. What I was trying to say is that Diaz comes into every fight with a similar strategy, albeit a very effective one. Condit knew his style and worked out a plan to neutralize it. Diaz had 25 minutes to change things up but for 23 minutes he tried the same thing over and over. Had he wised up and gone for the TD in rd 3 instead of with 2 minutes left, he might have won the fight.

      • AdamBianski

        phrankthetank i just want to know how you can say condit beat diaz. But in a very similar fight you say KOS beat Hendricks. So which is it, is the guy who moves forward scoring points or the guy who is backing up landing more strikes the winner.

        • phrankthetank

          Two completely different fights. Condit evaded everything Diaz threw and landed a ton of shots himself. Koscheck and Hendricks brawled

          • AdamBianski

            Im talking about the guy who landed the most strikes was the guy backing away the entire time.

          • phrankthetank

            If only it was as simple as that

      • KBEsq

        That’s such a good point that hardly anyone brings up. Whether you think he won or he lost, Condit doesn’t deserve all this crap. His record demands respect. I would just like to add, not only has he finished all but two of his opponents where he won the fight, but he has a perfect split of KO’s and Submissions.

        28 wins: 13 subs/13 KOs and two decisions. That’s pretty freaking impressive. Show me a fighter with that many wins by finish, with such a nice split between submissions and knock outs.

        Now everyone bashes him for one fight that was the most important one of his career. The guy has a wife and a child, and I’m sure his baby and wife are about a billion times more important to him than risking his job to play into his opponent’s hands.

        ALL THIS AND HE AGREED TO A REMATCH. It’s like, give the guy a break!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003139723544 chrisaps

    Diaz is taking the safe road. Im sure he knew he and Pettis were going to cross paths and he decided to side step Pettis. Diaz is making the Stockton bad boy nick name worthless and is lookin more like a Stockton sissy.

    • rsnowbass

      That’s right…only sissies get offered title shots.

    • rsnowbass

      I’m pretty sure Nate’s not afraid of Pettis and vise versa.

      Personally, it’s my feeling that they should fight for the #1 contender status and title shot.

      That being said, It’s every UFC fighter’s dream (or it should be) to fight for the belt. It’s for most part, a once in a lifetime opportunity. Why would Nate risk that? This is MMA and anything could happen so I’m sure Nate doesn’t want to ruin his dream and the first title shot of his carrer. I can see that side of the arguement and don’t have a problem with it.

      On the flipside, who knows what’s going to happen with Frankie and Ben (injuries or whatever else) so history has prioven it may be best to stay active. It’s risky either way.

      So Chrisaps, if guaranteeing yourself an opportunity to fight for the belt is taking the “safe road”…put yourself in his shoes and ask yourself what you would do. How important is owning that belt for real worth to you? That’s what you’ve been training for your entire life as a fighter isn’t it?

      Fighting for the belt I’d agrue helps your nickname more than hurts it last I checked…

      That all being said, I’m pulling for Pettis.

      Cheers!

      • AdamBianski

        Yes

  • johnnylopes

    Diaz v Pettis will be way better then Edgar v Hendo

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003139723544 chrisaps

    More pressure on Dana White though for giving Diaz the option. Dana should know the opportunity of a great headlining fight when it presents itself. Dana, you suck!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000068004935 joeywoolston

    Uhhh . . . Pettis needs to fight Barboza before he deserves to be talked about for a title shot. Amazing match up, and I think Barboza would come out on top.

    • phrankthetank

      That would be a fantastic fight.

  • sc_f0e989a8a1b8a986f2f5f33065393a41

    Tired of seening rematches a win is a win a rematch is basicly taking the winners glory away they did it to Edger the first fight with BJ and now they’re doin it to Henderson. With an exception of a draw no more rematches unless you earn it.
    PS when BJ was champ we never had to go threw this.

    • rsnowbass

      Although BJ did get an immediate rematch. Maynard got an immediate rematch. To not give Frankie his is phucked up.

      • RonnieV

        I agree!

      • AdamBianski

        The reason BJ got an immediate rematch was because he had been the champ for quite some time. Also Frankie just ran away from him the entire fight. I don’t think Maynard should have gotten one nor do I think Frankie does. What about Guida I hate the guy but he seems to be getting lost in the shuffle.

        • phrankthetank

          BJ got a rematch because everyone thought it was a fluke. Maynard got one because the 1st fight was a draw (I had it 48-46 Edgar) Edgar has been giving everyone and their sister a rematch, He deserves his. This should be it though. Frankie gets his chance, then that’s it. NO MORE REMATCHES! If bendo loses a close decision tough shit, win a couple fights and get another shot. If Edgar loses, hit the sauna and drop to 45

  • daviduppercut

    Pettis doesn’t deserve a title shot! He knocked out a tomato can and he split decision a guy who sucks

    • KBEsq

      Wow, I couldn’t disagree more. First, Lauzon is a respectable opponent who has beat some tough guys.

      Second, with regard to the Stephenson fight. Stephenson does not suck. Also a respectable opponent who has beat tough guys. I also want to add that the Stephenson fight being a split decision was a travesty. People look back on that with a raised eyebrow because it was a split, but it shouldn’t have been.

      • phrankthetank

        While I’m not saying you don’t have valid points, when you’re going to use a fighter’s name repeatedly, make sure you have it right. It’s Stephens, not Stephenson

        • KBEsq

          Ahh, touche – Thanks.

      • daviduppercut

        well just compare the people that diaz beat and the people who pettis beat. nuff said…

  • RonnieV

    I would love to see Nate fight for the title now, but nobody deserves a rematch more than Edgar (considering he had to agree to two rematches). I’m also against fighter sitting out a year waiting for a fighter to get healthy.
    August/Septmber Dream Card:
    Diaz vs. Pettis
    Ellenberger vs. Condit
    Hendricks vs. Rory MacDonald
    Gray Maynard vs. Edson Barboza

    Gray Maynard still only has one loss on his record, tough to forget about him.

    • AdamBianski

      Headline it with Jones and Hendo and you got a card. I wish I had Joe Silvas job.

  • Triggerman99

    First off, the article says that Pettis was told on more than one occasion that he would fight for the title. That’s wrong. He was never offered a shot at the winner of Bendo/Edgar. That was just an idea that fans came up with. Second, people want to chastise Diaz for waiting, but Pettis is a perfect example of why waiting is the right thing to do. Pettis didn’t wait, and he lost his shot, and everyone feels bad for him now. Now Diaz wants to wait and that makes him a pu$$y? That’s ridiculous.
    I don’t understand why people feel the need to make Nate out to be some kind of villain here. He got offered a title shot and he took it. What’s he supposed to say? “No thanks. I’d rather fight somebody else. I actually don’t really want a title shot”. Come on. I understand the guy is easy to dislike, but use your head.

    • RonnieV

      Well Trigger, I typically agree with you, and I’m also a huge Diaz fan, but I’m all for a Pettis fight for several reasons.

      1). Nate may not fight again for 10-12 months if he waits. I’m a Diaz fan, and I want to see these guys fight as much as possible. Nick & Nate are two of the most exciting fighters in the sport, the UFC needs them in the Octagon.
      2).Injuries could prolong the wait for a title fight.
      3). Nate beats Pettis he gets a big pay day, and probably another submission/Fight of the Night. Right now, Nate has to be one of the TOP Bonus earners in the UFC. Every fight he’s earning a bonus.
      4). He beats Pettis, and it would only increase his pay day against Edgar/Bendo.
      5). He loses to Pettis, then he really doesn’t deserve the title shot.

      • Triggerman99

        Right, I don’t discount your points. I’m just saying if he doesn’t want to take the fight, he shouldn’t be made out to be the bad guy or anything like that. There’s definitely reasons why I would want to see the fight and why he would take the fight (you listed most of them), but he certainly is not wrong for wanting to wait for a title shot. I mean, it’s a title shot! lol He has already made a very solid case for the shot, and he doesn’t really have anything else to prove before getting the shot. But I wouldn’t be opposed to him fighting Pettis. I think it would be an awesome fight. Just saying, he shouldn’t have to if he doesn’t want to.

  • AdamBianski

    Phrank you are right I could not find any fights that ended in the 5th (didn’t look real hard} thanks for making my point. the guys at the top can go for seven. Name for me a few fights that went five that at the end both guys were holding thier knees and unable to breath. Most fights I watch that go five have two guys standing in the middle waiting for a decision looking like they could go a couple more. How can you defend a 3 round fight like the one that KOS and Hendricks just had. You dont think they should have come out for two more. the truth is the guys who fight now are in shape and can go. Honestly I think they should get rid of rounds and go back to just fighting until someone wins. Oh yeah name a few fights in which both fighters were so gassed after five that neither could go on.

    • phrankthetank

      1st off you should have been able to name one without thinking all that hard. Silva vs sonnen. The other two get a little trickier. Neither your point not mine related to fighters gassing out, it related to your claim of less decisions. However, the reason you don’t see 5 rd fighters gads is because they have until recently been the champion and no 1 contender. Individuals you would expect to have great endurance. I can name a bunch of fights where fighters look gassed in the 3rd rd, some where fighters are gassed in the second. Typically those guys don’t make it to the level where they’re fighting 5 rounds. If you make every fight 5 rds you’re going to have a lot of guys who gassed in the 3rd rd holding eachother up for another 10 minutes taking away time that could be devoted to other fights. Koscheck and Hendricks are both top level WWs and could have gone 5 rds but that is not the case for the majority of the UFC roster.

      • AdamBianski

        I will agree with you that not all fights should go five. I think it should be more like the boxing model, where the more fights a guy gets they move up in the amount of rds they fight. Fights with two top ten guys should be five rds, when you get to great fighters a lot of times it takes a round to get things going. No matter what you say though I do believe title fights should be seven rds. A lot of title fights in the last two years have went to a contraversial decision. I think if you look at Condit vs Diaz or Hendo vs Edgar both guys were still standing ready to fight. Not sure if it would cause less decisions but majority of the time you would gain a clear cut winner.

        • AdamBianski

          i meant Bendo not Hendo oops.

        • phrankthetank

          Sounds to me like we need better judging.
          Truth be told I think within the next 10-15 years sport will continue to evolve and the number of rounds may not be as constant as it is now, but boxing vs MMA as far as rds go, it’s a lot more exhausting to grapple than it is to throw punches. In addition boxing has 3 minute rounds. A UFC title fight is 5 5 minute rds for a total of 25 minutes fighting with 4 minutes rest. A 12 rd boxing match is 36 minutes with 11 minutes rest. So a 12 rd boxing match is 11 minutes longer with 7 more minutes of rest. To expect a MMA fighter to fight 35 minutes with the current model they’d get 2 extra minutes of rest. So longer rounds, more activity, and 5 minutes less rest. Kind of a tough comparison.

  • BlackDog2009

    Nah nah nah… don’t backtrack now! Before Nate fought Miller none of you were asking for Pettis to fight Nate (and I’m talking even to the guy who wrote this stupid article). It was very clear… Nate beat Gomi, Nate beat Cerrone… DW said one more victory and Nate gets a title shot. With me so far… ok, then Nate comes and not only beats Miller, he submits him (something no other had done to Miller in the UFC). Nate wins IMPRESSIVELY. He gets his title shot. Don’t backtrack now and demand Nate to do what you guys want. Pettis has not been on the tear that Nate has. Pettis has not been winning the same way Nate has. Nate gets a title shot, it’s what was said, to force anything else on Nate would be disgraceful, misleading and unfair!!

    • me vs you

      right on, man.

    • rsnowbass

      Shite Maine…..when you put it that way…

      I still would love to see Nate and Pettis somewhere down the line…excellent matchup.

      I not going to say you’re 100% correct…but I can’t argue with you or pose a valid counter-point.

      Well done sir.

      Cheers!

    • rsnowbass

      Speechless Maine…..when you put it that way…

      I still would love to see Nate and Pettis somewhere down the line…excellent matchup.

      I not going to say you’re 100% correct…but I can’t argue with you or pose a valid counter-point.

      Well done sir.

      Cheers!

    • Triggerman99

      Yep, nailed it! What if he fights and beats Pettis easily? The RubeKegals of the world will start petitioning for Diaz vs Maynard for Nate to prove his worth. Then if that doesn’t go as planned, they will demand he fight Rory McDonald at a catchweight. It will go on and on until he loses, where they then can say “See? Told you he wasn’t worthy! What a pu$$y!”
      Really, really, lame…..

      • RubeKegal

        Hey It’s Nate penal massage therapist again!!

    • phrankthetank

      I agree that Nate has earned his shot, without a doubt. BUT who knows how long he’ll have to wait for his title fight. If he thinks he’s worthy of being champ than he should be confident that he can beat anyone in the division. I’m not saying he has to take a fight with Pettis, I wouldn’t blame him at all if he waited it out, but Diaz is on a tear right now and I think staying active is the best way to keep that run going.

      • Triggerman99

        I don’t really think it’s fair to say that if he doesn’t want to fight Pettis, it’s because he’s not confident he’s better than anyone in the division. He’s never run from a fight, and I don’t think he’s doing that now. But like everyone keeps saying; anything can happen in a fight. Well, that applies to Diaz, too. What if he were to fight Pettis, beat him, but break his hand in the process? He would be very unlikely to get his guaranteed title shot if that happened. The injury possibility is something Diaz has to worry about himself as well, not just if the two guys fighting for the title get hurt.

        • phrankthetank

          Ok, damn you and Ronnie are some overly defensive Diaz fans. I’m not saying that if he doesn’t take that fight that he’s running away. I wouldn’t blame him as I said in my comment. However, taking the fight shows that he’s ready to beat anyone anytime, championship qualities. Again, I didn’t mean it in the sense that he should be chastised for not taking the fight, but rather applauded if he did.

          • Triggerman99

            No, I’m not being overly defensive. I’m just pointing out out that those who say Diaz should and must fight Pettis to prove his worth are wrong. You’re comment about how Diaz should fight all comers to prove he is confident more or less sums up the mindset of his detractors.
            He doesn’t have to keep fighting top 5 guys to prove his worth; that’s my point. He has already laid his claim.

          • Triggerman99

            The next contender is already soidified. It’s Diaz.
            That’s what happens when the president of the company says “win and you get a title shot” and he wins. It’s pretty black and white. I don’t see what the issue is here.

          • phrankthetank

            Are you sh!tting me? Dude, I never said Diaz didnt earn his shot, I said he should stay active. Your boy is on a tear and you want him to sit on the shelf for 6 months minimum? Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point? All I said in all my comments is that with the way the lw division is going, it’s a good idea to take a fight instead of wait it out.

          • RonnieV

            Easy Phranky, I endorse a Diaz/Pettis fight, because I’m a Diaz fan and I don’t want to wait 10-12 months before he fights again. These guys have a short window to make their money. The way Nate has whooped his last three oponnents I have no doubt he would be beat Pettis (and Edgar). He beats Pettis, then his payday with LW champ will be even bigger.

  • D-rail

    Pettis doesn’t deserve a title shot? Hey Dummies, he beat the current champ in fashion, with a highlight reel kick to his face… And that isn’t worth anything? Makes absolutely no sense. Dana’s word is nothing but shit. Pettis or Gil mean nothing to him, he’s to busy feeding his ego and getting bloated from it. All you clowns want to keep seeing these same dudes fighting each other instead of letting new blood in there to mix it up. Enough with your ranking horse shit and your boring rematches, were sick to our stomach with them!!!

    • phrankthetank

      Pettis beat bendo by decision in the WEC. Since then he’s gone 2-1 in the UFC. His 2 wins are a wrestling match against stephens and an impressive KO of Lauzon. Diaz (who is fresh blood since he’s never fought for the title) is on a 3 fight streak at lw including setting the record for most significant strikes in a fight against a kick boxer and submitting a bjj black belt who’s never been finished. I say his resume is a little stronger than Pettis. As for Gil, shitty deal, he got stuck in strikeforce.

    • Triggerman99

      Clowns want to keep seeing the same dudes fighting each other? Diaz hasn’t fought for the title, and hasn’t fought Bendo or Edgar. What are you referring to?
      And do you realize that you’re simultaneously arguing against rematches and pulling for a Pettis/Henderson rematch?

  • D-rail

    No, not exactly, I said “boring rematches” (Frankie the rematch king Edgar). Diaz vs Pettis would solidify the next contender, and that’s what makes sense. Let the best man rightfully challenge, and the rest can wait in line. Michael Chandler would handle a lot of these UFC top contenders, but because he’s not fighting UFC, he’s another Gil Melendez, and that’s the irony of this fight game.

    • phrankthetank

      I don’t think I’ve ever watched a boring Frankie Edgar fight personally. Chandler and Gil are signed with different promotions. Lucky for chandler bellator doesn’t have champions clauses so as soon as his contract is up he can leave if he wants to, though with bellator hitting spike next year and chandler probably not done for another 2 years, who knows where the promotion will be at that point. Gil is not so lucky on either count.

    • Triggerman99

      Sorry Phrank, this comment from me before on the other post

      “The next contender is already soidified. It’s Diaz.
      That’s what happens when the president of the company says “win and you get a title shot” and he wins. It’s pretty black and white. I don’t see what the issue is here.”

      was supposed to go here. I wasn’t directing it at you, just posted it in the wrong spot.

      • phrankthetank

        It’s cool

  • D-rail

    It’s the “irony of the fight game”. Meaning, that since the UFC is the strongest promotion in the biz, according to their fans you’re only relevant (exist) if ur in there. And outside, you’re a nobody that fights cans. Let’s see how Eddie Alvarez does in the UFC. I still think their lightweight division is weak despite of all the fanaticism.

  • wiiliamstanley

    Pettis has a great ground game. Always rocks a high guard and is always throwing stuff off his back. Just because he was on his back doent mean his ground game is bad. In bjj, you can be on your back and be just as dangerious if not more than the one on top of you. Where are the two most popular and stylish submissions (armbar and triangle) done from, your back. And you see that shit more than anything.