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Jon Jones Targets Permanent Move to Heavyweight and Super Fight with Cain Velasquez

Posted on by Erik Fontanez

Jon Jones UFC 145Jon Jones has talked before about eventually going up to heavyweight, but now he appears to have a timeline and choice of opponent.

Jones, speaking at Gentlemen’s Expo in Toronto over the weekend, laid out plans to move up to and permanently compete in the 265-pound weight class within the next 24 months. When the current UFC light heavyweight champ makes the move, he said fans should expect to see him take on the current heavyweight champ, Cain Velasquez televised on demand via DX3 (DirecTV).

“I think that’s going to happen within the next two years. I’ll go up to heavyweight, permanently,” Jones said. “I’ve been really thinking about me and Cain Velasquez going at it. Don’t be surprised if you see that sooner or later.”

Jones added that he thinks a fight between him and Velasquez will be huge for the sport, and he anticipates taking a “super fight” within the next year.

Velasquez typically tips the scale at roughly 240 pounds, routinely fighting opponents that outweigh him by up to as many as 25 pounds. Jones said he walks around at about 230 pounds, but would pack on some extra muscle to fight Velasquez at a similar weight.

“I would gain about 10 pounds of muscle and compete with him at about 240 [pounds],” Jones said.

Jones has made headlines about fighting heavyweights before, but never with Velasquez. The heavyweight champ’s teammate, Daniel Cormier, has been very public about wanting to fight Jones, but the 205-pound king has repeatedly dismissed those efforts.

Cormier aside, Jones views Velasquez as an opponent that would make for an entertaining super fight. If Jones adds the extra 10 pounds of muscle, he’ll get the chance test himself against a fighter he said is the top dog in the UFC’s heaviest weight class.

“[Velasquez is] definitely the toughest guy in the division,” he said. “He’s not that big, so I think it’ll be a really entertaining fight.”

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  • Denny Swain

    Jones had originally called out gus and gus beat his butt. Now jones is doing everything he can to avoid rematch with gus

    • toom

      I don’t even have words for this are you kidding because Cain is an easier fight then gus right no that’s absurd and he said he would move to heavyweight in a couple of years I’m sure he will fight gus long before then

      • Big Tuna

        News flash, Gustafson lost unanimously, admits it in interviews. Let it go

        • toom

          Yeah I’m on your side jabroni can you detect sarcasm

      • Ian Price

        His statement that he’ll move to HW within 24 months is pretty much the stupidest statement made by Jones this month.

        Yes Jones, we know you’re moving up in the next couple of years, as you’ve already said that. Just let us know when you’re like 1-2 fights away.

        He should have tried to rematch Gus immediately.

        Another mail in the coffin, as far as I’m concerned. Remember what Condit said about Nick? “Sure, lets go again!”

        Remember Weidman? “I’ll grant you’ll an immediate rematch” and this was before he even fought Anderson!

    • Big Tuna

      I would avoid Gus too especially if I already had taken him to school

    • Hugh Shakeshaft

      What? Jones’ timeline is two years, which means he is likely expecting a rematch against Gus before he vacates the title. If Jones was dodging, Glover would have to be his last fight at 205. I think you should work on your reading comprehension.

    • shakejunt

      would you say he’s ducking him?

      • Ian Price

        It’s not even a secret. “I thought it was close and he deserved a rematch, but after watching our fight 10 times, I definitely won 3 rounds, so no immediate rematch.”

        If that’s not ducking, I’m the Pope.

        • shakejunt

          not wanting the immediate rematch doesn’t equate to ducking

    • Sarcasticball

      Ducking Gus by fighting Cain sound weird to me. No?

  • Kenny Powers

    Interesting. He’s gonna have to fight Glover first, then rematch Gus, then probably DC or Davis, but if he beats all of them I’d definitely like to see him against Cain. A bigger Jon Jones that doesn’t have to cut weight, that could be scary.

    • http://www.CombatScienceMMA.com/ CombatScienceMMA

      I think it’s disrespectful to all the other fighters for him to be talking about moving up. He was talking about this even before fighting Gus. There are still other guys for him to fight to even further cement his legacy in the division. (Glover Tex, Phil Davis, Lil Nog, Mousasi and even Thiago Silva if he ever gets himself back together) Silva and GSP have been defending their titles in their divisions way longer then Jones. Although I wouldn’t mind seeing him fight guys like Cain, JDS and Overeem.

      • Gary Fredericks

        I tend to disagree. Jones climbed the ranks from the bottom, beat all comers aside the arguable victory over Gus, and shows every fight he is heads and shoulders above the rest of the division aside Gus of course. I would say get past Glover and rematch Gus….and maybe toss in Machida if he stays at LHW. I’d like to see that go ’round again. If he can beat both of them decisively (and possibly Machida again), I would consider the division cleaned out. No need for him to wait for the other up and comers including Mousasi who is still an unproven commodity in the UFC elite ranks of the division. T Silva is an undeserving roidball knuckle head gatekeeper at best that is not worth JJ’s time, Mousasi hasn’t really been very active or fought many top guys in the UFC, Phil Davis isn’t really a dominant contender although he has a good record with some promising wins.

        If he beats Glover, Gus again, and Machida if he were to stay at LHW, I would be good with an immediate shot at Cain were JJ to move to HW. It could also be possible in his 24 month time frame too. Just my opinion for the sake of this discussion of course as I respect your insight and opinion on most topics.

        • http://www.CombatScienceMMA.com/ CombatScienceMMA

          Good points. I look forward to Phil Davis fighting Jones more then anyone. Now what would you prefer between Jon and Cain at HW or Jones and Silva at LHW?

          • Gary Fredericks

            JJ vs Cain. I think Silva is on the decline, even if it is slightly. I think Jones would have too much power for Silva to deal with and his wrestling would overpower Siva’s stand up. Chael Sonnen was hard for him to deal with when he was on top in their first fight. I think a larger, younger, and more aggressive JJ would ground and pound him to a finish.

            On the flip side of that, I think Silva could expose JJ’s lack of experience dealing with striking styles such as Silva’s and JJ has shown in the Gus fight, he does not react well to taking hard shots in bunches. I would rather see JJ vs Cain for the fact Cain’s wrestling could nullify JJ’s and we would see an entertaining power striking game with two young chins in their prime with endless stamina in both. Could you imagine the pace of that fight? WOW! Could JJ withstand the power of Cain? Could Cain deal with JJ’s reach and speed”. Those questions are intriguing to me in that match up more so than can Silva’s battle worn chin survive the power, elbows, and pace JJ is known for. Honestly, I would pay for the HD version of either fight. Cain or Silva have styles that could make a very exciting fight with JJ.

          • http://www.CombatScienceMMA.com/ CombatScienceMMA

            I’m so pissed Overeem lost those two fights because even though he got KO’d I would love for him and Jones to fight. What a kickboxing match that would be.

          • Ian Price

            Overeem would destroy Jones. Overeem got caught a couple of times, but he’s an ass-kicker

          • Gary Fredericks

            I take it that you dislike Jon Jones? Overeem is well past his best days and never lived up to the hype for the UFC. He beat Lesnar and lost to Browne and Antonio Silva. Prior to that, I could only name one or two guys he has fought in his post Pride era and beatin the last five years that actually had some sort of “contender” credibility. Names like Goodridge, Crocop, Hunt, and Duffee. Of those, all were over the hill by far aside a disinterested (at the time) Mark Hunt and then highly regarded prospect Todd Duffee. Overeem is nowhere near a title and probably wont be as he is on the decline skill wise, as all fighters do when they age, especially those with as much combat sport experience as Overeem.

            That being said, a young and prime Jon Jones has a GREAT chance to touch Overoid’s chin and put him to sleep. He has had a glass jaw his entire career, a fact hidden by his kickboxing skills.

          • Ted Binsky

            I called that Travis Brown would knock him out when I was talking to my friends. I got laughed at, mostly because Overeem looks like an action figure. But I got the last laugh when Travis Brown kicked his head off.

          • Ian Price

            Jones would be a +300 when fighting Cain. You think jones can knock out Cain? JDS has a hard time doing that, so no, Jones won’t be able to. He also won’t be able to submit Cain. Finally, Cain will outpace Jones and this might be the first fight where Jones is stopped.

          • Gary Fredericks

            I think it is possible for everyone to knockout anyone under certain conditions. Nobody is indestructable. Remember when Chuck Liddell had an unbreakable chin? Hell, he thought it couldn’t be done too as did Leben, Wandy SIlva….list goes on. Cain is no different as JDS proved.

            I won’t say either would win and I didn’t either. I said I would be excited enough about the fight to buy the HD version of the card. Jon Jones has a good chance with Cain IMVHO.

          • Hugh Shakeshaft

            Phil vs Jones, really? I would rather see the Rashad we just saw against Chael get another shot. 205 is deep right now: Gus, Glover, Rashad, DC. Nasty line-up for whoever’s holding the strap.

          • http://www.CombatScienceMMA.com/ CombatScienceMMA

            Who could Rashad face to get himself a shot at Jones? I can only think of DC. To bad him and Gustaf couldn’t have fought. Would have been better then him and Chael, no disrespect to Sonnen.

          • Hugh Shakeshaft

            Rashad vs DC then the strap after Bones vs. Gus II.

          • Ian Price

            Yes. I like Phil too for that fight. His striking has been improving, and you know Phil isn’t an underdog to Bones in the wrestling department. More importantly, Phil Davis has a long reach too.

          • Hugh Shakeshaft

            Jones would dominate Silva and finish him in the first round. No one is scarier in MMA than Cain. That dude is an f-ing savage. I prefer Bones vs. Cain.

          • http://www.CombatScienceMMA.com/ CombatScienceMMA

            If Silva wrecks Weidman this fight would that change your mind? Cain is a better fight based on both of their wrestling and the pace that Cain sets.

          • Hugh Shakeshaft

            Yes but I don’t see that happening. Silva’s on the downward part of his arc.

          • http://www.CombatScienceMMA.com/ CombatScienceMMA

            Understood.

        • Hugh Shakeshaft

          Gus gave him a tough fight and even if people don’t like the decision, Jones has fought a series of tough fighters and still holds the strap. I think he’s delivered more to the sport in the last three years than GSP and Silva have combined.

      • Hugh Shakeshaft

        I am excited to see Mousasi fight. His highlight reel is nasty.

        • http://www.CombatScienceMMA.com/ CombatScienceMMA

          He is a very tough fight. I wouldn’t mind him fighting one more time though before being talked about fighting for the belt. Actually wouldn’t mind him and Thiago Silva fighting or Phil Davis.

          • Hugh Shakeshaft

            Mousasi vs. Phil Davis.

      • MuayThaiFood

        I don’t think it’s disrespectful. To begin with he’s talking two years from now. There’s always going to be up and comers and he doesn’t have any responsibility to them. Anyone else in the division can move up so why not him?

      • Kenny Powers

        Tbh, the only competition left at 205 for Jones is Glove, Gus, & DC. Davis, Rashad, Lil Nog & Thiago dont have anything for him, and Machida & Mousasi are at 185 now. If Jones wins 3 more fights he cleans out the division, then he should move to HW and challenge himself.

      • Ted Binsky

        Meh, who really cares? Jones was never exactly a “nice” guy, and its entertaining to watch him act cocky. If he gets knocked out we all win, don’t we? I hope JDS or Cain gives him an ass whooping .

        • http://www.CombatScienceMMA.com/ CombatScienceMMA

          2 very dangerous fights especially at that weight. Would be very interesting.

      • Sarcasticball

        I don’t think it’s disrespectful, after all it’s just a choice and I think he know it’s going to be harder and harder to cut weight with age. it’s just silly to tell us that he his going to move to the heavyweight two years before doing it.

    • Guest

      that’s a big ” if ” Kenny. what if he loses one of those tough challenges? than what?

  • Big Tuna

    Kid has stones unlike GSP and Silva, he’s the only one talking about moving up and fighting a champ. Unlike the bums silva fought at 205…I can’t even recal the names of those 205ers silva fought.

    • Ppp

      Has stones? He was afraid to fight Chael Sonnen…

      • JDMMA

        Yeah He was AFRAID to fight Sonnen ,,, and that’s how he annihilated him in the first round,,, MORON!!!!

        • put me in the sauna coach

          the Facts are he was afraid to fight Chael w/out a full training camp. He did destroy him..which is makes it look worse that he refused to fight him initially unless he got a full camp to prepare for him..and ended up killing the PPV for the first time in UFC history.

          • Big Tuna

            Sonnen is a quitter he will never be a UFC champion

      • Big Tuna

        Didn’t he nearly kill Sonnen?

      • Par

        Afraid because he wanted a fair chance to prepare? Stfu every other fighter including Chael Sonnen prepares for their fights. Then he fought him when they both had time to prepare for each other and owned him, so now what? Keep making excuses..

  • james velasquez

    He still has a tough, tough road to get the HW Champion!!!

  • Brian

    Anyone who challenges themselves, with nothing to prove, cements his legacy in the sport. This kid has goals, plans, and is very different than most fighters. Quite frankly, he is still undefeated. Furthermore, it makes more sense deciding this, than having someone else mention it. I also like that he is outlining his retirement so it doesn’t look as though he is scared when he is ready to leave the sport. Look at GSP and all the BS he is getting … ridiculous.

    • Mr Pete

      He is not undefeated

      • Joey

        Yeah he technically isn’t undefeated but bringing up a lose that was a result of a DQ is stupid.

        He was destroying Hamill before using those 12-6 elbows (which is also ridiculous since the position of your elbow doesnt change the force generated or the cutting potential). I think a lot of people still view him as undefeated despite that fight.

        • Mr Pete

          I wasn’t talking about Hamil

        • Oscar Sanchez

          if your going to use that logic then use it for the wins they where awarded to him that should of not been in the first place gus and bonnar still dq is part of the rules and if you don’t accept it let him go in their with a bat.

      • Cereal Killer

        Neither was Fedor. I mean before his ass kickings he got from Bigfoot, Hendo and Werum.

  • JDMMA

    He needs to pack muscles on his legs to stop Cain’s take downs and check led kicks

    • Ian Price

      That’s not going to do anything. The only way Cain loses is by first round KO. Bones is dead meat because he doesn’t even have a puncher’s chance against Cain like JDS did. Junior at least almost stopped Cain in the first round again.

  • Mr Pete

    I wish people who actually read this understood what is really going on. In psychology this is the ol classic damage control, attempt to make myself feel better. After getting publicly humiliated he has exhibited every sign of a narcissist/sociopath behavior, denial, excuses, rationalize etc. “watch it in mute” “I landed more strikes” When you think you are untouchable as with Jones, then reality hits you
    in the face “literally” what options does he have to repair his broken ego? Calling out the Champ that is recognized as the “King” of all Champs helps ease his burden and let the world know he is “not afraid” “confident in his ability”

    It is blatantly clear now the amount of damage Gus have truly inflicted on Jon Jones. First physical and now mental, the next phase as evidenced so far, would be self defeating behavior, lashing out and ultimately the destruction of Jon Jones. We have seen this play out many times before, Tyson, Ali, NFL, NBA even celebrities, Britney Spears, Michael Jackson, Elvis. These people believe in their own “greatness” and eventually they all fall.

    • sidrwc

      lol thanks psych 101.. You’re reading way to much into it.. A move to HW has been talked about since he started given his large frame and youth. He’s bound to put on weight, and that’s the next division. Yea Gus did an excellent job, but you fail to realize Jones is a champion and got to where he is by his mental toughness.. In EVERY scenario we’ve seen him hurt (Vitor tearing his arm, Losing half a toe against Chael, and now Gus) he has never wavered at all. In fact, he truly believes the decision to win was made by him, and he’s even stronger because of it.

      To me, it sounds like you’re an underachiever given the fact you’re name dropping some of the best athletes and entertainers of the past century and ridiculing them for not being able to be at the top forever. Your argument is ridiculous.. What goes up must come down? Oh how intelligent of you.. You should get a degree for that right there. These guys were all mentally weak, that’s why they were the greatest.. Great post, and excellent attempt at pretending to understand what’s going on. Continue your life of mediocrity.

      • Mr Pete

        impressive… however, you let your emotions get the best of you. obviously I have struck a nerve with my criticism to the point you felt necessary to respond. along with your ability to get the “last word” in without resorting to blatant name calling indicates some form of restraint and experience in the world of “online confrontations”

        you feel your wit and intelligence makes you superior to others, unfortunately your brief response and the matter in which it was handled reveals your true character. it was a good attempt, take away the excuses, your emotions, the last paragraph and include evidence to disprove my statements and you might have a valid argument.

        1. when does stating verifiable facts equates to being an “underachiever”??? was i incorrect? did i lie?

        2. a fluke dislocated toe
        3. a fluke armbar
        A. is not comparable to Gus in any way
        B. in conclusion, your logic and reasoning is severely flawed, you exhibit behavior of a “scorned wife” more than the man you would like be to believe.
        try again

        • MuayThaiFood

          I think you just described yourself in the second “paragraph”. I think your hypothesis is nothing but your attempt to display your ” wit and intelligence “. If your rational were sound then he would be all over a rematch with Gus. If you want to say Chael Sonnen is a narcissist/ sociopath I might be inclined to agree but at best Jones is an egotist. Save what you learned from self help books for yourself.

          • Ted Binsky

            I agree with MuayThaiFood, Pete basically described himself and projected his feelings at someone else.

          • Mr Pete

            ???i believe i made it clear why i commented on Jon Jones current mental health status. yet…you insist that Jones should be “all over a rematch with Gus”???
            ??? if i hurt you, beat you, **** you, took your manhood, would i not be the last person you would want to encounter again? i dont understand, are you saying people are like Batman who gets broken by Bain and is hell bent on revenge? fearless, not traumatized at all, vengeance!! yeah? if this was true, why would he take Glover fight? why would he insist that Cormier fight Gus for the the number 1?

          • MuayThaiFood

            Look up the word psychobabble. You’re not worth the time to explain it to you myself.

          • Mr Pete

            :) when in doubt, “look up definition xx and that’s you” wah.. lol….

            my apologies, i’m too much of an *** hole for my own good.

        • Cereal Killer

          I Can Count All The Way To Purple!! Good morning!

        • Ted Binsky

          Mr Pete, you should read what you type because you come off as a prick. I am a psychology student, and none of the things you mentioned are actualy case studies or anything like that. You are what we call arm-chair fans or a pop-psychologist. You really don’t know much about psychology at all and give it a bad name with your attitude and little knowledge of the subject. Quit harassing people to make urself feel good, you just look bitter.

          • Mr Pete

            love the reinforcement of labels “I am a psychology student” bravo… applause….should i be impressed? does your need to address your “education” make your opinion any more or less credible? certainly you believe so, why not just say i’m right, your wrong, doo doo head, nanana…. it is perceived the same. kudos though for trying to give me a piece of your mind.

    • jc

      I’m gonna agree partly with Mr. Pete. I do believe that JJ is having issues with the GUS fight. Self Bloat and distraction from the idea that another man physically beat him down but he won by way of score card/judges. I like JJ and think he is truly remarkable, but he will have to face his foe again.

  • jimmy777

    let Cormier fight jones at 205, if jones wines, give him a title shot at heavy weight. It seems jones is trying to avoid Cormie.. Cormier would beat jones IMO

    • sidrwc

      I don’t think he would.. He didn’t overly impress me in the Mir fight, and I think Jones’s distance would be a really big problem. Cormier is quick, but never fought someone as fast and long as Jones. He fights bigger, slower guys, not guys who can skip across the octagon in a couple strides… Cormier is a short LHW as well, and I feel Jones would push-kick the crap out of him.

      • Cereal Killer

        Dan’s coming down, Jones is coming up. Make it a catch at 220 or so since the belt won’t matter anyways.

        • sidrwc

          Cormier weighed in at 235 his last bout. Jones walks around at 230, and being that he’s the champ, I don’t think he should make sacrifices for any fighter, especially one trying to come down in weight to fight him.

          • Cereal Killer

            Sacrifice?? Jones… forget it. He’s going to vacate the belt. He won’t be champ anymore.

    • William George Lang III

      i agree with jones fighting cormier @205 but, if he does manage to win that fight…there is no way he should get Cain first. at least one legit hw fight before he gets the champ.

  • bajafox

    All roads to Cain in the HW division should lead through JDS

    • Jay Mcgarrity

      That doesn’t make much sense as if JDS comes out on top in two of those fights he could easily be considered the clear cut #1 contender. It’s too soon for another Cain vs JDS fight, even by the end of 2014. They at least need to have 2 other guys aside from JDS fight for #1 contender so that the earliest JDS could get another shot would be like early-mid 2015.

      • bajafox

        So you’re saying it makes more sense for him to fight the champ before even getting a feeler fight in the division? Why does he deserve to face the champ? JDS is the clear #2 HW in the division and in order for Jones to earn his shot at the champ, he should go through JDS

        • Jay Mcgarrity

          Not to insult you but are you new to the idea of a super fight? The appeal of a super fight is having two champions going up against each other and having no real idea of how well they will fair. If we are going to have Jones fight one or two before he takes on Cain, we will have a pretty good idea of what he is capable of in that division making the fight lose some of that “super” appeal. It doesn’t matter if JDS is a good match-up for Jones or even if JDS could beat Jones more times than not. JDS had his chances, he doesn’t need to be in the title picture for a while. Also having JDS beat Jones would eliminate the possibility of a super fight. Precedent is set with BJ Penn getting the immediate shot against GSP but more importantly, it just makes more sense to have them outright fight. It’s like when Dana commented about Pettis wanting to move down to beat up Aldo for an immediate title shot, while Aldo and his camp were dodging the fight and claiming Pettis didn’t deserve it. Dana stated, “It’s like if Aldo wanted to move up to 155, are we going to say he’s not the No. 1 contender? What are you talking about?”

          If JDS had not just finished a trilogy with Cain and come out on the losing end, the situation could be different. This is a clear cut case where the number 1 contender is not even in the picture for at least another year. The winner of Browne vs Barnett may get a title shot after that fight, not sure where Werdum stands at the moment but after Cain’s next defense it’s pretty wide open. The landscape could change by the time Jones is ready but usually the idea of a super fight is not to jeopardize it before it happens.

          • bajafox

            Not to insult you but if your comment is longer than the article I won’t bother reading it.

            I do know what a “superfight” is and if you’ve been paying any attention Dana already said they are all but dead. This is not a “superfight,” this is a permanent move to a new division where he is asking to face the champ, which he does not deserve as a first fight.

            My question to you is, do YOU now what a “superfight” is?

          • Cereal Killer

            If Jones moves up permanently, it’s not really a “superfight”, it’s just a fight. Besides, Cain hasn’t been a dominate champ for years like GSP and Silva. It’s just a great fight.

          • Jay Mcgarrity

            Just because he is moving after the fight happens doesn’t mean it’s not going to be a super fight when it happens. When two guys fight each other while maintaining the title and not losing it in a fight, it’s a super fight. Cain hasn’t been as dominate so it’s not on the level that a GSP vs Anderson super fight would be but he still has one or two more fights before Jones makes the move to add to his title reign and make it that much more enticing. GSP said if he ever took the Anderson Silva super fight that he would also make a permanent move to MW and not want to move back to WW, would you guys also say that’s no longer a super fight as well if that happened? You guys are trying to write your own unofficial mma terminology rule book here for some reason. What if Jones wanted to do the super fight with Cain and then immediately retire win or lose, would that also not be a super fight since he isn’t going back to LHW after the fight? Future plans don’t necessarily determine current events.

            If Bajafox wanted to have super gay sex on Friday with the intentions of continuing to have super gay sex from that point on rather than going back to normal gay sex, would we now say, “that’s not really super gay sex”, it’s just some good gay sex since he does not plan on going back to his normal gay sex once the super gay sex on Friday is finished? Think about it…

          • This guyyyyyy

            Let’s make this brief for you. Superfight=fight between two titleholders. JJ moves up to HW, vacates LHW belt. Awesome fight? Yes. Superfight? No.

          • Jay Mcgarrity

            Ok, so lets make this brief for you. You’re not only calling me wrong but Jon Jones is wrong, every MMA media outlet who reported on this is wrong, and Dana White will be wrong as well when he promotes this fight as a super fight if it does happen. Ok, everybody is wrong except some anonymous guys on mmaweekly.

          • archaictext

            This argument is ridiculous. As Jay Mcgarrity said, it’s about semantics. The reason “superfights” were dubbed so to begin with, was because of the idea that two fighters deemed the pound for pound best fighters in the world were going to fight. These fighters were also long time reigning champs (at the time). So, many people could argue what criteria necessitates a “superfight”. Cain hasn’t been the reigning champ for very long, but who is his competition? Some could say a “superfight” is merely a fight between two division champs. So this term is evolving as the sport, and concepts within it do. If the UFC, and Jon Jones are deeming this fight a superfight, then that’s what it is, because that’s what everyone will be calling it. I can understand why some people would feel differently though. For example: (it would never happen, but) You wouldn’t throw Weidman against anyone and call it a superfight even though he is the MW champ and beat the reigning MW champ by KO. It’s not the same, but Jon Jones just had a close (questionable) decision over Gus, so, even though he has been champ for awhile, we see some contenders that could be taking that from him soon. Regardless, like I said, we are all going to be calling it whatever the UFC is calling it.

          • MuayThaiFood

            Let me see if I got this right? It’s a Superfight AND Bajafox has super gay, gay sex. Or is it just super gay sex? Sorry still confused a little although I think I agree on both counts.

          • Jay Mcgarrity

            Exactly! Bajafox is currently just on gay sex but on friday he plans to make the move to super gay, gay sex. He plans on sticking to the super gay, gay sex rather than going back to the normal gay sex. I still consider it to be super gay, gay sex but Bajafox and friends believe it’s just normal gay sex since his move to super gay, gay sex is permanent.

            I don’t even see why 11 people agree with his original comment of “All roads to Cain in the HW division should lead through JDS”. JDS is awesome but to fast track him into another title shot would be a mistake. Let some other guys get a crack at it.

          • MuayThaiFood

            11 people 11 PPV buys for Bahafox’s super gay, gay sex event. It won’t be able to compete with the Superfight but there will be more North/South positions, rear naked chokes, tag teaming and tapping than UFC or WWE combined.
            If all road lead through JDS then Cain is going to have a lot of free time because Dana isn’t going to have him fighting JDS twice a year because he is beating all his contenders.
            This would be a superfight in every sense. This would be the first time since BJ Penn that a fighter has had a chance to hold two belts simultaneously. There is no rule against holding two belts and no way Dana is going to make him vacate the belt if he were to get a fight with Cain. If he were to hold both belts he would probably vacate the LHW belt if he still planned to stay at HW because defending both would hold up both divisions. He could also change his mind about staying even if he wins. There’s no way in hell the belt gets vacated before the fight…..so Superfight.

          • Jay Mcgarrity

            Just because he plans on moving after the super fight doesn’t mean that it’s not a super fight dumb c*nt. If he lost the belt and then moved, it would not be considered a super fight. If he left LHW while holding the belt, hard not to call it a super fight.

            The reason why Dana White said super fights were all but dead is because all conceivable super fights were made null and void by Anderson losing. It wouldn’t make sense for Jones to pack on 50lbs to do a super fight and then have to lose all that weight to go back down but since he is willing to make a permanent move, it opens up the door for a super fight.

          • gangstertony

            You lose

          • bajafox

            What part of moving to a new weight class do you not understand? If he is making a permanent move he can’t take the 205 belt with him therefore forfeiting the belt. This is why it is not a super fight.

            He can’t hold up the belt while PERMANENTLY fighting in a new weight class. Do you understand now?

          • Jay Mcgarrity

            I don’t know how many times I can say it before it sinks in. IF HE IS THE TITLE HOLDER WHEN HE LEAVES THE DIVISION IT WILL STILL BE A SUPER FIGHT NO MATTER WHAT HIS PLANS ARE AFTERWARDS. Just because he is moving weight classes also does not mean it’s not a super fight, it’s both. Jones called it a “super fight”, every media outlet called it a “super fight” (including this one where we are having this idiotic debate due to your lack of IQ points), and Dana White will promote it as a “super fight” if Jones leaves LHW as the title holder before it happens.

            If they force Jones to take other fights in HW as you and other idiots want to see, it would definitely be up for debate on whether or not it would be labeled as one. If he leaves the division without losing his title and immediately fights Cain for the belt, that is a super fight kid. I’m done arguing semantics with you and I’m fine leaving it at Jones, every MMA media outlet, and myself calling it a super fight versus you and a couple other guys on the mmaweekly forum calling it just another fight since he’s actually moving weight classes and not going back down.

          • Jay Mcgarrity

            You probably still don’t understand so I’m going to break this down in a simple scenario mode that should show your true colors.

            If Jones never revealed that he was going to make a permanent move to HW and a super fight was made between him in Cain. The fight was promoted as a super fight, the fight happened as a super fight, everyone called it a super fight, the fight was awesome. Then after the fight finishes, Jones decides that he wants to stay at HW rather than move back down. Would we all go, “wait a god dang minute, he’s staying at HW, that wasn’t really a super fight”. “BURN ALL OF THE PROMOTION FLIERS, DELETE THE VIDEO PROMOTIONS, THAT WAS NOT A REAL SUPER FIGHT” Argue with that while not feeling like a fool, I dare you.

  • Jay Mcgarrity

    At this point it seems like everyone is speculating based on some loose words thrown out by Jones. He obviously has to fight Glover and most of us are hoping that Gus will get the rematch again as many of us scored it 3 rounds to 2 for Gus. All I’m going to say is that if Jones doesn’t rematch Gustafsson then I will have lost all the respect that I have for him for what he did in their first fight, that is assuming that Gus wins his next fight or two that he takes before then. 1 fan’s respect may not mean to much to Jones and trolls may say my opinion doesn’t matter but I guarantee there are hundreds of thousands of people who feel the same way and will lose respect for Jones if he dodges Gustafsson.

    • archaictext

      This could have gone without saying.

      • Jay Mcgarrity

        Considering a lot of people here are saying “he still has to fight Glover”, my comment was in reply to those people in the sense that “obviously” he has to. Jones was talking about giving Gus an immediate rematch and then “reconsidered” after watching the tape and saying he believes that his win over Gustafsson was definitive so he would rather fight Glover. Usually when a guy believes he beat someone definitively, he doesn’t feel the need to fight them again, at least not for a while. There is a very good chance that Jones will dodge Gus, so I don’t see where your problem is with my comment. Go back to the sandbox with bajafox troll.

        • archaictext

          I never said I had a problem with your comment, you are just saying obvious things. I then pointed out the obvious, by saying that you were being obvious. It’s called busting your chops, breaking your balls…other things. I love how you think you are such an authority here. Go back to the sandbox? Your unimaginative insults just make you seem pathetic.

        • Ian Price

          He is definitely dodging Gus. Even delaying the fight by one fight (Glover) is considered dodging. What if Gus has a bad day and loses his next fight? Then Bones doesn’t have to fight him! At the very least it can extend his championship run by an extra fight. If he wanted to be known as someone who doesn’t duck fighters, he should’ve left it up to Dana and the fans, instead of that bullshit comment “oh, after having watched the fight in a very biased manner, I scored the fight “I definitively won”. Punk

  • The guest of guests

    All speculation as to what will happen aside, I can’t see Jones beating Velasquez. Cain has the striking ability to lessen (not negate) JBJ’s reach and I believe he’s just too strong for Jones to win the wrestling battle. Should Jones make it through whatever 205 lb contenders he faces, I see nothing wrong with him facing Cain. As someone else said, there will always be up-and-comers in a division. He’s talked about moving up before, not like this is fresh news. He said within two years, plenty of time for a couple fights at LHW albeit he may get injured. Gus deserves the shot if he beats Manuwa, but Davis is 1 contender away from one also IMO. It’s all gonna depend on timing. There are many contenders booked for upcoming fights already, i’m excited to see how it all plays out.

    • Jay Mcgarrity

      So many contenders in LHW? The only guys I’m excited about in LHW are Gus, Glover, and the newly reinvigorated Rashad. Phil Davis barely got the nod against Machida and a lot of us believe Machida won that fight. Davis has a good win/loss ratio in his recent fights but has not looked impressive at all since he beat Boetsch and Gus years ago. Shogun was derailed hard after losing to Chael and making that 2 losses in a row. How can anyone say that Rogerio isn’t the most overrated fighter ever in the history of LHW, the guy loses twice after a string of wins against nobody’s and then beats Tito and the worst version of Rashad we’ve ever seen and now he’s on everyone’s top 5 list now. I’m not even sure what Hendo is doing now after losing to Vitor, maybe coming back up to LHW.

      LHW lost so many good guys who moved to MW. Lyoto, Mousasi, Chael, and Hendo(if he doesn’t move back) are all gone. LHW is by no mean’s a weak division but it’s definitely not in the top for most competitive. The Middleweight division is where it’s at.

      • The guest of guests

        I never mentioned anything about some of the contenders having a chance of beating Jones, nor did I deny Davis’ fight with Machida being skeptical. I merely pointed out the fact that overrated or not, they are still contenders. Davis for example is 8-1-1 in the UFC with wins over Gus, Nogueira, and Machida, regardless of how or when he got them. Rashad, Gus, Davis, Glover, Nogueira. Ready or not are all close to a title shot, some in line some 1 fight away. I wouldn’t say Rashad is “reinvigorated” more so still a fighter that is good and has yet to decline. Sure, he’d beat Davis again, probably a rematch against Nog too. That doesn’t change Davis’ record against people now top 10 or the fact that Nog won his last fight against Rashad. Evans got a SD over Hendo a TKO’d Chael. I don’t deem that re-invigorated but that’s just me. And by saying many contenders I meant many contenders close to a title shot that he has the possibility of fighting before moving to HW.

        • Jay Mcgarrity

          I don’t really understand the point you are trying to make but it doesn’t matter because nobody wants to see little Nog or Phil Davis fight Jones. I want to see Rashad fight Jones again before Jones moves but I’m not sure how many feel the same.

          By a reinvigorated Rashad, I’m referring to the time of the training camp for the Chael fight to now. He looked to be in possibly the best shape of his life and seemed to be in the perfect place mentally. Losing to Jones probably put him in a bad place with being unsure about the future he had in the division. He looked awful against little Nog and after losing that fight, things probably got worse. At his age he probably knows this may be his last chance for a legit title run and it seems like he’s going for it with renewed dedication. I could be wrong, that’s just the impression that I get from Rashad now.

          • The guest of guests

            My main point is:Cain>Jones. My only other point is that whether people want to see the fights with Davis or Nog or not, Davis is one win away from a title shot IMO. Simple as that. :D

          • Ian Price

            Yeah, Cain’s wrestling striking cardio combo is just too much for anyone currently out there.

      • The guest of guests

        Can’t forget about DC either…AFTER he beats 1 or 2 at LHW. People can say what they will, he has wins over Mir, Big Country, Big Foot (who was given a title shot) and Barnett who many believe is fighting for a title shot against Travis Browne. Granted Big Foot paved an impressive two fights to get to Cain, he was 1-2. Barnett beat Mir. DC beat Mir, Nelson, Big Foot, and Barnett. No matter how lackluster they were, they were wins. For anyone to say DC wouldn’t be worthy of a title shot at LHW WITH an impressive performance against a top contender is beyond me.

        • Jay Mcgarrity

          DC is definitely a top contender in any weight class he fights in but he isn’t even at LHW fighting weight yet and would be just making the move down. There are always going to be contenders to face as people are constantly moving up and the roster is growing larger, that’s just the way this sport is. Jones doesn’t owe DC a damn thing and although I would like to see that fight, it should really be up to Jones and Jones alone if he wants to make that happen. Jones should just take care of what’s on his plate now and if Cain is still the champ by the time Jones makes the move, make the SF.

          • Ian Price

            The only thing I worry about with DC is him being outweighed vs Jones at light heavy, because Jones can cut more weight and is younger. Other than that, I feel pretty good about that fight.

        • The guest of guests

          Ahem…I meant 2-1 :D

  • Ted Binsky

    Honestly I don’t mind a little bit of controversy or s*** talking, as long as you actually make an attempt to back it up. The same kind of stuff happened with Silva and GSP for a superfight which will never happen. This type of attention seeking can become tiresome after a while. Two champions who actually do what they say are Jose Aldo and Renan Barao. I don’t root for them in fights, but damn do they kick peoples asses. They aren’t afraid of anyone and challenge current and former champions, including heavier ones like Anthony Pettis, Benson Henderson, Frankie Edgar, and Dominnick Cruz. Both Jose and Barao are real champions if you ask me.

  • dgs

    Hey Jon, first you need to beat Glover (no easy feat!), then you owe Gustafsson a rematch, and Cormier has been calling you out too. Victor Belfort has also been extremely dominant in his past few fights, would love to see that rematch too.

    So Jon, that’s four extremely tough fights in your own weight division, before you should even think about moving up to fight the big boys.

    I have seen too many times where champions make grand plans about who they’re going to fight way too prematurely. Clear out your division first before you start talking about super fights in other weight divisions, or even other organizations (wasn’t Silva talking about a super fight with Floyd Mayweather before Weidman KO’d him?).

    • Jay Mcgarrity

      Jones is fighting Glover and yes he better give Gus that rematch or he will lost a lot of respect from a lot of fans. Vitor has been fighting all of his fights in MW since he lost to Jones and he also has the next title shot against the winner of Weidman and Silva so Vitor vs Jones makes no sense. Cormier can call people out but he’s only fought in HW, Jones owes DC nothing. I would F***ING LOVE to see Rashad get another crack at Jones before he left but I think Jones beating Glover and Gus would be more than enough for him to leave the division.

      • archaictext

        Why would you love that? You must be a big Rashad fan, because he looked like s*** against him last time. He had nothing for him and that won’t change unless Rashad stops being so stubborn and he decides to change up his technique. All he has is a puncher’s chance for now.

        • Jay Mcgarrity

          I’m not really a Rashad fan, I just have respect for all of the second gen guys who are still fighting at a relevant level. I don’t really like Jones and the only good thing I can say about him is that he showed a lot of heart in the fight against Gus. People credit Jones for fighting through Vitor’s armbar but I feel like that was more of a stubborn panic in fear that he was possibly about to lose the belt. Furthermore, the way Jones handled the Greg Jackson situation was despicable. Rashad put team Jackson on the map and they all turned on him. It would be poetic for Rashad to be the one to knock those f*gg*ts off their pedestal. Can’t wait for you to tell me all about how I’m wrong and how Jones is a model champion as well as Greg Jackson and his team being the best team ever.

          • archaictext

            No I wouldn’t say that about Jones or Greg Jackson. I like how you assume what people are going to say. Have you ever heard of logical fallacies? Anyway, I agree with you about how poetic it would be for Rahsad. So…you aren’t really a Rashad fan, but your comment seems to have come more from being a fan, than from deeming the rematch to be warranted.

          • Jay Mcgarrity

            My last comment was due to the fact that I can’t even seem to call grass green without someone on here disagreeing. At least one person will comment on how there are strains of grass that differ from the color green and dead grass turns shades of brown.

            Although I’m not a huge Rashad fan, I believe 1 win against a top contender could earn him a title shot. I believe that is partially due to the fact that the LHW division is kind of weak right now in losing half of the top 10 to the MW division. Some guy was on here talking about how Phil Davis is close to a title shot and as ludicrous as I find that statement to be, who else is there? Glover, Gus, Manuwa (if he looks good against Gus), Bader (in a couple wins), Te Huna maybe. Phil Davis and Little Nog are overrated IMO.

          • Fern

            I used to smoke grass that was brown in highschool. :)

          • archaictext

            Another logical fallacy: straw men. Yeah, people have different opinions than you, go figure, it’s a discussion forum. I think you would find less resistance if you didn’t sound like such a know it all. You, time and again, reference “everyone’s” opinion. “I guarantee thousands of people think like I do”, “no one wants this or that”. Just express your opinion. You don’t speak for these people and trying to make a foundation for your argument by claiming how other supposed groups feel is, yet another, bulls*** debate tactic you use. S***, with most of the comments I make to you I have to resist the urge to throw that back in your face, just to show you how frustrating and annoying it is. Sometimes I fail. You make some good points, and then you lose people’s respect by coming across like a self-righteous, self-proclaimed expert.

          • Jay Mcgarrity

            Opinions don’t win arguments or debates, I can speak for people who have already made their opinion clear by repeating their opinion if it coincides with mine. Saying Hendricks won the GSP fight is my opinion but it holds a lot more weight with a link to the tweets of numerous professional fighters and MMA media outlets who all agree. Furthermore, do you live in a world where everything said is taken literally? The phrase “nobody wants to see that” in reference to me saying nobody wants to see Phil Davis in a title fight right now is a figure of speech. If I were to say nobody wants pink shirts with purple text that says “gay” on it, would you give me shit about that for speaking for the entire world? I’m sure there are people out there who would wear that shirt and love it but again, it’s just a figure of speech. Sometimes I’ll throw out my opinion in a simple one line statement, other times I’ll back it up with references of like-minded individuals. Not everyone has to express their opinion in the same way as yourself and maybe you will find out that your way may not be the best as I made you look like a fool on the Diaz / Cerrone fight video thread. If you continue to criticize me, next time you dig yourself into a hole I’ll grab the shovel from you and beat you over the head with it.

          • Ian Price

            Agreed

          • Ian Price

            I agree with you Jay, and would add that now it appears that Rashad is in a better mental place right now, and has a much better idea of how to beat Jones, now that we’ve watched a few people challenge him, especially Vitor and Gus. I’m actually giving Rashad a good chance to take it, and Glover too.

            Speaking of Glover, he’s not just Rampage with better ground skills, he’s much better than that, because of the symbiotic relationship of standup and ground fighting. Except for a reach differential, there are not many holes in Glover’s game, and he has the record to show it.

      • dgs

        Yep, that was my mistake, don’t know why I forgot Belfort now fights at middle weight?

        Jones doesn’t owe Cormier anything, but are you saying Cormier would not be an extremely dangerous opponent at LHW? I would much rather see Cormier fight Jones before a rematch with Rashad. Rashad was not impressive in their first fight, so I don’t even believe Rashad deserves a rematch against Jones any time soon. Rashad’s past four fights have been split, with two losses and two wins. Let Rashad win a couple of more tough fights before he gets a rematch with Jones.

        The next two fight for Jones will/should be Glover, and if he beats Glover, Gustafsson.

      • mmafan85

        I agree he owe’s Gus a rematch and all, but I am a little worried how people are going past the fact that Gus has to beat Manuwa… Huge Gus fan but maybe wait until he beats Manuwa first…Also Jones has to beat Texeira, both of these under valued fighters are undefeated, and for a reason. No one gave Gus a hope in hell with Jones until he did what he did… Manuwa has DESTROYED all his opponents in the UFC.. he stopped two 6”4 ufc fighters and absolutely man handled Jimmo before he faked an injury (he was off from training for 7 days after the fight). I dont think he liked getting the crap beat out of him. Manuwa fractured Kingsbury’s face in three places! Underdogs have nothing to loose and everything to prove!!!

        • Ian Price

          Lot of truth to your comment!

          • mmafan85

            Thanks

      • Mr_gallo

        Ummmmmm vitor just beat Henderson at LHW

        • Jay Mcgarrity

          I don’t know what you were high on when and if you watched the fight but you are incorrect on that one. The fight was not only at middleweight but it’s the fight that solidified Vitor’s shot against the winner of Weidman vs Silva 2 for the belt.

    • Blackforest MMA

      i like how you started it out “Hey Jon”… as if jon jones goes to mmaweekly.com to try and get fighting techniques and career advice… dumbass. He’s done remarkable work in his division and has held the belt for a long time for such a young guy. He’s a grown man and can decide when he wants to go up a weight class without consulting you pedestrian for counsel.

    • julian moran

      With Roy Jones.

    • sidrwc

      Do you set goals? 1 year and 5 year? Do you visualize? Do you dream? These are all things that separate champions and successful people from the masses.. He’s allowed to set any goals he wants, and it’s sure as s*** worked for him thus far.. Jon Jones owes no1 anything, and can move up whenever he feels fit to. Look into some of what I mentioned at the beginning. Might do you some good..

  • julian moran

    J.J.´s reign at L.H.W. is about to end, and he has no chance of getting the H.W. belt.

    • Par

      you sound like a hater

      • julian moran

        Ok.

        • UlyssesKrawd

          @julian moran: i wish you understood the fight game better.

    • Lucas Freire

      I agree, he has no chin to go HW IMO.

      • microman

        he never been knock out and he has no chin… You’re ridiculous.

        • Lucas Freire

          How many times he had his chin tested? lol
          Come out of his balls, I don’t blame him, I praise his mostly technical approach throughout the whole fight, but what the hell? Tell me one fight where he got bomb’d on the chin? He didn’t get hit by Rampage/Rashad/Shogun/Bader…he got hit ONCE by a Lyoto’s straight shot and tripped, but it wasn’t a knock down.
          And Gustafsson’s great boxing style doesn’t deliver big strikes. No wonder he destroyed Jones face but was the one to get rocked.

          I’ll repeat again in order to make it easier for you to understand: The fact that he never got KOed has nothing to do with his chin, it has to do with his huge frame and physical imposition over most of his adversaries. He’s able to keep out of range not by elusiveness, but simply by putting his hand on anyone’s face, and then is able to overpower his enemy.
          Why I think his move to HW won’t be a good thing? A lot of these guys are the same size as him, and, taller ones or smaller ones, 99% of the HW division has more raw power than Jon Jones.

          • archaictext

            “Come out of his balls”? WTF are you talking about? lol. I know what you meant, but your choice of words is ridiculous. And while I agree with your overall assesment of JJ’s style, you said “he has no chin to go HW”, yet you say it has never been tested. You’re contradicting yourself. Let me repeat that so it’s easier for you to understand: You say he doesn’t have the chin for HW (like you know), but you say it’s never been tested (which means that you don’t know). If you’re going to try to be a condescending prick, at least be sure not to contradict yourself, otherwise you look like a fool.

          • Lucas Freire

            You’re right. I contradicted myself.
            Maybe I’m just a hater, I just get the feeling by looking at him that he wouldn’t be the kind of guy able to get shot by a HW and stay conscious.

        • Ian Price

          Yes, JJ has a chin, but also, his LHW reign is indeed ending soon. He also has no chance against the top-5 HW guys. The best he can do to maintain his “brand” is to stay at LHW and retire after a couple of fights. And hopefully not have to fight Gus or Rashad again (I think he’ll get killed this time around).

  • TJ

    He will just add 10lbs of muscle? As if that is no big deal?……He must be in the process of registering with Balco or Biogenisis……At his age, putting on 10lbs of muscle, naturally, is not something that is done in a short time frame. He is not Latimeer from, The Program who can pack on 40lbs of muscle with hard work over the summer.
    Jon Jones can definitely add 10lbs. to his frame but there is no way in hell that it will be muscle, it will be 10lbs. of water and, all to just take a Mexican beating just doesn’t seem worth the water……..Good Luck Jon!

    • jerbear50

      You don’t think a guy in his mid 20′s can put on 10 pounds over two years? It’s not like he’s talking about doing it next month.

    • iamman

      u can get some pretty good gains in a year if you take a bodybuilding approach…one of his brothers is 265 and the other 315…i bet he could probably pack on the weight easily but since he competes at 205 he might not wanna get to far from 230 in between fights

    • macarrech

      Its hard for the average Joe, but for someone with the resources and commitment that’s nothing. How the Hollywood actors gain 10-20 lbs of pure muscles in months for a role?

    • MuayThaiFood

      How is he going to put on that much weight?….two words: horse meat.

  • Fern

    I know everyone loves to hate on JBJ, but I actually commend him for wanting to make superfights happen and especially to challenge the champ in a higher weight class.

    I think Gustaf was probably the best the division could through at him, realistically, and, though it was close, he still clearly won that fight.

    Furthermore I think he is definitely strong enough even now to compete at heavyweight. Sonnen, said he “felt like a 305 pounder” when they fought. I know its not saying much coming from a fighter like Chael but still, I actually agree with him for once.

    • Jay Mcgarrity

      Saying that Jones clearly won that fight is a ridiculous statement. I dislike Jones and scored the fight Gus without bias yet I still acknowledge the fact that it was an extremely close fight and could be scored either way. That fight was nearly as close as it gets and had Jones not landed the spinning elbow in the forth round, Gustafsson would’ve won that round short of Jones landing another fight finishing blow. That would’ve put Jones in a do or die situation in the fifth round to finish the fight or lose the fight. We still don’t know what would’ve happened but to say Jones clearly won that fight is the most ridiculous thing I’ve read all day and that’s saying something.

      • Ian Price

        Totally agree. Winning a fight 3-2 is close “a priori”, and that fight in particular was very close, with many people feeling that Gus was robbed.

  • Obi-Wan Granoli

    Cain would destroy JBJ. It wouldn’t be any different than Cigano.

  • Fan

    How long is he going to keep saying this. Who can say if Cain would be champ then or jones will win his next three at 205. Cormier is a test from hell for him

  • Big Daddy

    I really like JJ and I’m a huge fan, but I think moving up to heavyweight is a bad idea for jones.He knows the type of punishment he took in his last fight and that was from a big 205er. The natural heavyweights hit a hell of alot harder than he is used to. And if he does move up, he needs to wait until he’s 30 or older when he will naturally be bigger and those are a mans strongest years.