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Does a Chael Sonnen Move to 205, Facing the Likes of Jon Jones, Make Sense?

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Chael Sonnen and Jon Jones UFCDespite all the heat between he and Anderson Silva leading up to their rematch at UFC 148 last week, Chael Sonnen has been rather subdued following his second-round TKO loss to the champion.

Many people have interpreted Sonnen’s more reserved attitude as him pulling back from the fight game. Questions immediately soared his way about everything from retirement to following Brock Lesnar to the WWE.

Sonnen quickly shot down all of those rumors, but on Thursday night’s edition of UFC Tonight, he stirred the pot a little, explaining his outlook on retirement and fueling the fires of speculation with some chatter of his own.

“I love this sport and I would never want to retire. My coach Clayton will be the one that retires me based on my results and productivity in practice,” said Sonnen.

“I could have easily defeated (Anderson Silva). Physically I’m fine; mentally I’m fine. Give me a couple of weeks to settle in and when you get in the spot that I am in, we will see. Anderson could retire any day now.”

But what will surely get people talking is what Sonnen had to say next, priming the pump for a possible jump up in weight classes.

“There is simply an option to start over by changing weight class. My mentors have done it and it could happen. I would go up to 205. Jon Jones. There are some great guys at 185, but traditionally and historically it is a good way to get a fresh start and start over.”

Sonnen has fought at light heavyweight in the past, but has spent the latter part of his career at middleweight.

Still, do the waters get any easier at 205? Sonnen went 0 for 2 against Anderson Silva; is he likely to fair better against UFC light heavyweight champion Jon Jones?


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  • insane187288

    Sonnen move.. probably not but I do think the next fight might be a Franklin Sonnen. Both went 0 and 2 vs silva but against each other would make for a very interesting fight.

    • adam1848

      I agree. Franklin Sonnen would be a GREAT fight.

    • smill0313

      I would like to see this fight, but it would be at 185 where rich is making one run.

  • The_SaavedraFiles

    I would like to believe Sonnen would do well against Jones Considering he’s tremendous pressuring style and takedowns.. he’s for sure a more better Wrestler in every way than Jones. And Jones doesn’t possess the power to scare him on the feet or to Stand up and trade and i think Sonnen knows that. other than that get past his reach and maybe we’d have a fight.

    • bdono554

      Guys like hamil and Vlady who are better Wrestlers than Sonnen might disagree with you since Jones tossed them around like training dummies.

      • jonnypatrick

        Chael Sonnen is a way better wrestler than Matt Hamill & Vlady. Chael is top 5 in the UFC period when it comes to MMA wrestling. I will say that I don’t think that he would beat Jones though. Jones is an excellent wrestler as well and should be a heavyweight so he would use his size and leverage to out power Chael.

        • Lesnardo

          OH GOD! Chael nuthuggers are going out of control. Mind you, Chael is at 185 because he couldn’t hang with 205lbers.

          Even Forrest choked him out. At 205, Chael is going to be just another middle-of-the-pack one-trick pony.

          But yes, Chael is a more decorated wrestler than Hamill & Vlady for sure. Hamill wasn’t even Div 1 and Vlady…not sure.

          King Mo is just as decorated as Chael but at 205, it’s a different ball game.

          • jonnypatrick

            Lesnardo/TKD you are one in the same. You are a Silva nuthugger so who the **** are you to talk about anyone? Did you even read my comment Moron? You’re posts are pointless, why do you waste our time?

          • atmosphere

            how does objectivity = nuthugging?

            Chael, objectively, has some of the best wrestling in MMA. GSP has no wrestling credentials, but is one of the best applied-wrestlers. Munoz is one of the more decorated wrestlers in MMA, but his MMA-applied wrestling is horrible.

            getting submitted as many times as Chael has means his BJJ is lacking, not his wrestling.

        • bdono554

          Hamil and Vlady competed internationally. Sonnen never made it that far. and division doesn’t matter there’s a d3 wrestler competing in the Olympics this year.

    • Booker T

      Agree, that would be a good fight.

    • dathump

      He may be a better wrestler,but not that much better to dominate Jones and Jones’ takedown defence is second to non. As for the power of Jones, maybe not one punch power, but elbows and knees that Sonnen would eat in bunches. Sonnen proved he has no power, how many times did he hit silva and barly marked him. caught him with a couple but no where near knocking him out. I don’t think Sonnen would make it past the first round. He would have to test himself at 205 and see how he faired, remember his pressuring style comes from being the bigger fighter, and at 205 he wouldn’t have that advantage. Unless he started juicing again

      • The_SaavedraFiles

        All of you guys make solid points but as a fighter myself i look at it more different , as all of you i’d expect Jones to win. but i wouldn’t feel it would be an easy win either. Chael might be the smaller guy but that doesn’t apply when you have the Takedown accuracy and pressure Chael brings i’m not a nuthugger like whatever his name is called most of us. but Jones can possess all the Elbows and Knees but at the same time they only work if he’s on top of you he hit Evans with standing clean elbows ( Can’t Stand his reach ) and still couldn’t put him to sleep. i think Chael can take Jones Elbows and not get hurt. Has a Solid Chin.

    • ifighterc

      Sonnen does fair better against jones than Silva, Jones= Less Accurate compared to Silva, Less power compared to Silva, Weaker Chin compared to Silva. So what I’m saying is if Chael can take Jones to ground like he did Silva, Jones would not survive like Silva did, but with that said he wouldn’t be able to take Jones down because Jones has a better take down defense compared to Silva

      • RubeKegal

        Weaker chin compared to Silva? I’m sorry, has anyone dropped Jones? I haven’t seen it, has anyone else?

        ifighterc, you are a moron.

        Jones would butcher Sonnen plain and simple, and I’m a huge Chael fan.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003311915309 georgesperry

    Sonnen beating JJ? LOL

    • Booker T

      Not likely. I would like to see Silva jump up to 205 and fight Jones. Jones would wreck Silva.

      • shereko

        I would like to see Jones jump up to HW and fight JDS. JDS would wreck Jones.

        • RubeKegal

          Jones would wreck Silva and JDS.

          • MaritalArtist

            Then why doesn’t he?

          • RubeKegal

            He will when given the chance…its like me asking why Anderson doesnt whoop Jones…only an idiot would ask a rhetorical question like that.

      • The_SaavedraFiles

        Damn another kid who thinks Jon jones can beat Anderson Silva.. ARE YOU FREAKING INSANE? Do you see how horrid Jones is on the feet. Anderson is masterful. jones would be a mad man to go stand with Silva. and Yeah let him Takedown the smaller man makes him look real dominant. only way he’d win on points cause he sure wouldn’t finish the fight.

        • macgrubber

          ur a joke if JJ got AS down fight would be over in seconds

          • MaritalArtist

            That might be true. Jones would probably be a 3:2 favorite over Silva??

      • Drock420

        Man lots of people don’t give Silva the credit he deserves! How many times has Jon Jones defended his belt at 205? Only 3 times!! How many times has Silva defended his belt at 185? 13 times!!!!! Silva’s been a champ WAY longer than Jon Jones & those are all FACTS! Silva would definitely win if he ever fought Jon Jones.

        • Drock420

          My bad I forgot Silva only defended his belt 11 times. Forgot about the 2 fights he had at 205…

          • RubeKegal

            Jones 3 title defenses have been against much tougher competition than Anderson’s 11 wins.

          • Lesnardo

            RubeKegal is right. Shogun, Machida, Jackson, and Evans are much much much more scarier fighters than any of the 11 fighters Silva has faced at 185.

            For god’s sake, didn’t Silva fight Theles Leites, Damian Maia, and Travis Lutter???

            Anderson’s tougher opponents were Chael, Hendo, and Vitor. Vitor couldn’t hang with 205lbers so he dropped down. Hendo, at that time, wasn’t the same Hendo now, who is on fire. And Chael…well….he didn’t do well at 205.

            Man…people totally forget that Machida was once considered the new Anderson Silva and Shogun was considered the king at 205.

          • RubeKegal

            Not to mention Machida dominates Anderson in sparring

  • ThePilot

    A move up for Chael would create some interesting fights and earn him some more money but he’s not going to win the belt there. Even if Silva moved up he’d get smashed by most of them.

    • Lesnardo

      Not true. Chael would get smashed but Silva could hang with the top 5, excluding JJ.

      Silva vs Shogun, Machida, Hendo, or Evans all make sense at 205.

      • jonnypatrick

        Case & point! Silva nuthugger to the core! Please stop with your crazy talk!

        • TKD

          jonnypatrick, AKA, Johnnyhomo, leave me out of your posts (way up above). If you want to keep stalking Lesnardo like a high school girl, please go ahead.

          Just because neither of us likes you (along with many others on here) doesn’t mean I am Lesnardo. I have no need to create multiple usernames just to mess with you. I, unlike yourself, have a life. If I don’t like you, and I do not, I obviously have no problem telling you. I don’t need to hide behind an alias to do so.

          You are an annoying, know-it-all prick, so don’t be shocked that people here pick on you. If someone likes a fighter that you don’t they are automatically “nuthuggers” to you. Who the f*ck asked for your opinion?

          Starting to see why nobody likes you? I think everyone else does too.

          • jonnypatrick

            Are we in grade school TKD? Pick on me! I love it, I punched little f**ks in the nose like you in grade school! I assumed you were one in the same because of your stupid f**king remarks, just like this one. You idiot, he(Lesnardo) called me a nuthugger (see above comments) for stating that Chael has superior wrestling. I don’t give a f**k if you or anyone else on this site likes me, I have a life and real friends. You would be the loser that has online friends! You probably think that strippers like you too! Idiot…

          • Lesnardo

            As soon as more than one person starts making some sense on this site, jonnypatrick accuses them of being alter egos of each other.

            I don’t like Silva. I don’t like Sonnen. But given that Silva has destroyed Forrest Griffin, who I would say is top 15 LHW, Silva’s chances against Shogun, Machida, Evans, and Hendo (who he beat at 185) is really good.

            JJ is a different story.

            Sonnen has horrible track record at 205. So, I don’t see any reason why I should think that he should move up to 205 to fight any top fighter, let alone JJ.

          • jonnypatrick

            Lesnardo you don’t make any sense. I made the comment that Sonnen had better wrestling than Hamill & Vlady but went on to say that Sonnen could not beat Jones. Then you replied: “OH GOD! Chael nuthuggers are going out of control.” and then I replied to one of your delusional comments and know your internet entourage has been defending your honor! Lame, I know but we all have to put up with it! For the record that was the 1st time I ever accused you & TKD for being alter egos. I had to give you 3 something to do with your boring lives. To say that you don’t like Silva doesn’t make sense. It seems like every comment you make is about Silva.

          • Lesnardo

            jonnypatrick is a creepy stalker. He’s been stalking me since yesterday.

        • TKD

          jonnypatrick, AKA, Johnnyhomo, leave me out of your posts (way up above). If you want to keep stalking Lesnardo like a high school girl, please go ahead.

          Just because neither of us likes you (along with many others on here) doesn’t mean I am Lesnardo. I have no need to create multiple usernames just to mess with you. I, unlike yourself, have a life. If I don’t like you, and I do not, I obviously have no problem telling you. I don’t need to hide behind an alias to do so.

          You are an annoying, know-it-all prick, so don’t be shocked that people here pick on you. If someone likes a fighter that you don’t they are automatically “nuthuggers” to you. Who the f*ck asked for your opinion?

          Starting to see why nobody likes you? I think everyone else does too.

      • natpaukar7

        in all fairness…I don’t see this as nuthugging at all but rather a very good point…none of the 205ers mentioned have a significant size advantage on Silva at 205…he is not even a small 205er by the looks of things…Forrest is a big one and he had absolutely no problem against Forrest…that having been said…he already beat Hendo and would/could do it again even at 205…Shogun is too wild of a puncher and would fall victim to Silva’s precision…if Hendo could catch him than silva certainly could….Machida is very good but I think Anderson is a step higher on the striking performance…though his takedown defense is way better…adn Evans…even though I consider him to be very boring and very over rated presents the most likely problem considering his well roundedness…but if Silva could avoid a take down, I see a similar result as Machida vs. Evans…

        As for Jon Jones…seeing Silva fall victim to Chael’s takedowns is the only smidge of reasoning I have for giving Jones any advantage…but watching the Machida fight (against Jones) and seeing how he out struck Jones in round 1…I believe that Silva would do just enough better to KO jones…I want to see it soooo bad…

        That fight would break records for ppv undoubtedly…

        The only person I could ever imagine to beat Anderson Silva is GSP…and that is still unlikely…I find GSP to be a far better wrestler than Chael Sonnen…and quite frankly…so is Chris Weidman…that kid is impressive

        • MaritalArtist

          I can’t believe you said GSP is a far better wrestler than Sonnen. Have you watched Sonnen wrestle? He is so good at wrestling, that with wrestling alone he fares a decent chance (2:1, 3:1) of beating the GOAT. Imagine if he were a BJJ expert or a world-class striker as well?

          I hate to rain on your parade, but GSP may be close to Sonnen in terms of wrestling/takedowns/top control, or as a stretch he may even be on par in his weight class, but he most certainly is not a better wrestler than Sonnen. That’s like saying Machida is a better striker than Silva. It’s like saying GSP has more cardio than Frankie. Am I wrong here?

          • natpaukar7

            Certainly I can understand that point that perhaps GSP is only on par considering that he is smaller…however; I stick to my guns and I really do believe and strictly IMO that he is way better…rarely if ever does GSP miss a takedown…and Chael couldn’t even take Anderson down in rd.2 or Bisping down at will…both Tasks I assume GSP could easily do…strictly assumption and I certainly respect your point because it is valid and probably based on more evidence than mine…mine is only opinion and me imagining this..perhaps wishfully…so no martial artist you are not wrong at all….

      • MaritalArtist

        I’ll just add my 2 cents’ worth while we’re at it: stop talking like fighters can win this fight or that fight. All reasonable mma fighters can beat anyone on any given day. Talk like men. For example: “Anderson is a 2.5:1 favorite against Chael”. Or “jones is a small favorite against silva, but silva would probably dominate the rest of the LHW class”. Is that too much to ask? Sorry, been a rough morning. Matt Serra beating GSPjght not have been due to anything other than he just got lucky. Same with Anderson’s loss to a flying scissor heel hook. It just happens. If Anderson and Chael fought every month for the next 3 years, besides making all of us quite happy (and assuming no one got seriously injured), they would probably end up with a 10-26 record or so. Now some of you may argue, no, it would be 15-21, or 8-28, or whatever, but it would certainly not be 0-36, or even 4-32. That’s just nonsense. Same with silva-jones. I think the last time I checked the theoretical odds, someone had jones a -150 favorite. My personal opinion is it would be an even fight. But whatever your opinion, you most certainly wouldn’t risk calling jones a 4:1 favorite or something outlandish like that.

  • gnodeb

    Time to trash talk other champ. No way he can make proper title run in any weight class…

    • Lesnardo

      If he CAN drop to 170, he has a good chance of beating GSP. But Chael looks like a big dude, not sure if 170 is feasible.

      • MaritalArtist

        He can drop to 170. There just wouldn’t be as much
        Muscle on him, and he’d get fatigued more easily. He couldn’t beat GSP at 170. He would be a 1:3 underdog at least.

  • piccini_51

    Sonnen would get shockout in 5 seconds when he shoot on ones!

  • Planterz

    Even with TRT, Chael is only a contender at MW. What makes anybody think that he could contend at LHW without shooting himself up with testosterone by the gallon?

  • joan

    I’m sick of people saying that Anderson Silva should move up to LHW. Why he would do that? It doesnt make sense for his carrer. Why not ask Jon Jones to move down to face him? Some people just wanna see Silva lost, not matter what. What if he goes up and beat JJ? then what? People are going to say that he should go to HW and face Junior dos Santos?

    • jonnypatrick

      Joan, I am not sure why you are talking about your boy Silva when the article is about Sonnen moving to 205. But what is really funny to me is that you would make such a dumb statement about Jones dropping to 185! It would not be possible, he should fight in the heavyweight division, if he wasn’t 24 he couldn’t cut to 205. Think about what you are saying…

      • joan

        I was replying to a comment about silva moving up. And What I say about JJ coming down I know its not possible, I was just making an example. Silva is the champ so he is the one who have to be challenged.

      • shereko

        This is coming from ole Jonny Mr. Knowitall?? The guy that sits behind his keyboard and acts tough… Joan didn’t bring up Silva, which is funny since this is an article about Sonnen, yet as soon as you see the name Silva you’re OCD ass jumps in just to comment and make sure you want everyone to know that Silva is a horrible person… lol you’re a dbag.

        • jonnypatrick

          Shereko, are you stupid? Here first sentance was: joan Reply
          July 13, 2012 at 9:55 am
          I’m sick of people saying that Anderson Silva should move up to LHW.

          Man you make yourself look like a fool on a daily basis! I asked her why she was talking about Silva when the article was about Sonnen. So again, why are you even on here wasting our time. Get a life

          • jonnypatrick

            I meant her first sentence! I spelled her & sentence wrong. Thats for all you editors!

          • TKD

            Here is more proof as to why people here do not like you, jonnypatrick. Joan is entitled to her opinion on ANYTHING she chooses to write. We don’t need your uneducated input, a-hole.

          • jonnypatrick

            TKD she can have her opinion, just as I have mine and you have yours. I just find it funny that she has to bring up Silva every time Sonnens name is mentioned! I am surprised you aren’t defending Shereko like usual.

          • Lesnardo

            Man you make yourself look like a fool on a daily basis!

            Oh…the irony in this statement!

          • RubeKegal

            TKD go chug some more semen dbag

        • RubeKegal

          jonny, dont pay attention to this turd shreko, he’s looking for an argument.

    • MaritalArtist

      Actually, that’s not a bad idea. Silva could ask JDS to drop a little weight and at least meet him at a catchweight 10 lbs or so apart.

      I ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE JDS WOULD AGREE TO THAT.

      It’s the “getting Silva to do the calling out” that’s the hard part.

      But first thing’s first: Silva should NOT call out Jon Jones. He should simply take on a top-5 LHW and smash him. Then he would get the next crack at Jones/Hendo.

      • MaritalArtist

        Furthermore, Silva should do this AFTER GSP moves up in weight to meet him in the Octagon. That’s what they call it, right? The Octagon, where everybody who thinks they’re the best, fight all the other fighters at or near their weight to see who’s the best, right? So if GSP walks around at 190-195, and Silva walks around at 215, then they both make 185, and then GSP would be 190-195 at fight time, and Silva would be 195-200 at fight time. No reach difference. So what’s the problem? I don’t see a problem. Let’s have it.

  • worldchamp

    Sonnen making the move up to LHW makes little sense. Everyone claims that the MW division is the weakest, and that is why Silva dominates (I don’t agree with that assessment). So, if Chael moves up, what success will he have as LHW if he couldn’t win the title in MW?

    He may enjoy some success at LHW, but chances are he will never get to title contention, let alone beat JJ for the belt.

    • Lesnardo

      Actually, Sonnen was at LHW before. He didn’t do too well because of the size difference. He moved down to 185 and found success there. Not sure if going back makes sense for him. He will not have success there. 205ers have KO power.

  • shereko

    There is nothing wrong with Sonnen picking whichever division he feels he can compete in the best for himself… with that he can make a pretty good living and doing something he enjoys doing. Every sport, or aspect of life you can’t always be the best when there is someone better in your generation. Barkley and Malone in the Jordan era, Michelson in the Tiger era, etc… But, he can still be pretty good and there is a lot of good competition at either weight class. At this point I don’t see it much different than BJ Penn, who just wants big fights and can go between classes.

    • jonnypatrick

      That has to be the smartest thing you have said in months. Is that really you Shereko?

      • TKD

        He said something smart because YOU say so, right? You are the biggest tool on this site, douche bag!

        • jonnypatrick

          I find it funny that you spend all your time hating on me! It gives me something to laugh about while I’m at work, keep it up i’m here til 5!

          • macgrubber

            lets be real you dont have a job scum bag

          • TKD

            LOL @ macgrubber’s comment to you, jonnypatrick ! See, everyone hates you!!! Hahahahahaha!!!!!

          • jonnypatrick

            If by everyone you mean you(TKD), Shereko, & Macgrubber. I’m glad that you f**k tards don’t like me, as I said before this site isn’t to make friends idiot. I post my comments because I want to and also to see the feedback from all you trolls that actually don’t have a job. I don’t know how I will make it through life knowing that you tools don’t like my comments or me!

          • Lesnardo

            Lol at jonnypatrick subtly bragging about having a “job.” WOW! You have a JOB???

          • jonnypatrick

            I wasn’t being subtle or bragging you f**king moron, I was saying keep it up because you 3 make my day go by faster laughing at your idiotic comments! As I said before keep it up, I’m here til 5 and that is in 17 minutes so keep em coming you f**k tards!

          • RubeKegal

            macgrubber, you still think GSP and Rory are dating moron? and TKD, you are a cancer who acts the toughest behind a keyboard yet call others out.

            You dbags are real tough teaming up on jonny….friggin cowards. Then again for all we know macgrubber and TKD could be the same person.

  • AdamBianski

    Anyone who believes Chaell has a chance against Jon Jones is living iin a fantasy world. Chaell better be a better wrestler then Jones, but there is this thing called size and yes it mattters.

  • KingSlaughter

    HELL NO!!! it dont make sense…chael should just retire like he said he would

  • TKD

    jonnypatrick is a queer!!!!

    • Lesnardo

      I agree. He is weird. He sounds dumb too.

    • jonnypatrick

      TKD I would open hand slap you down to the ground like the little b**ch you are. I assume you are a child now after that remark, so I wouldn’t want to hit a minor! Who calls another grown man a queer online? Keyboard tough guy!

      • TKD

        I live in Chicago, jonnypatrick. 2nd degree black belt in taekwondo. Any time you’d like to come and slap me I will be more than happy to meet you. Really, I would be happy to see you try.

        • frumps

          Hey, I live in Madison. Do you mind if I come down to fight you?

        • RubeKegal

          HAHAHAHAHHAHA 2ND DEGREE BLACK BELT IN TAE KWON DO!!!!! WHAT A FEMALE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

          TAE KWON DO, THE BIGGEST PUSS MARTIAL ART OUT THERE LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL….WH DIDN’T YOU SAY 2ND DEGREE BLACK BELT IN YOGA?? IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EQUALLY INTIMIDATING HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

  • RubeKegal

    TKD is a clown, pay no attention to him.

    • TKD

      LOL at jonnypatrick’s bitch, Rube coming to his lover’s aid. That is precious, you two pole swallowers.

      • RubeKegal

        TKD, back so soon from the gay orgy? Wow that was fast!

  • Crooklyn From TapouT Radio

    A move to LHW for Sonnen doesn’t make any sense and a fight against Jones really dones’t make any sesne besides that fact that is might generate PPV buys and cash. Sonnen can’t beat Jones, Griffen, Rua, Evans and Machida. He would have to go through at least two of those fighters to get a title shot. He can’t those fighters. I would like to see him at 205 but I don’t think that would be good for him at least career wise.

    Sonnen has a really good wrestling. But that is all he has. His wrestling is his bread and butter. He does have very good GnP but he has no power behind those punches on the ground. He his like a little girl in my honest opinion. He has no stand up and his sub gam is ass. If it wans’t for the fact that he is a good wrestler then he would be a very horrible fighter.

    A lot people think that just becuase you are a good wrestler then you are a good fighter. You can be good are wrestling but you better be decent at stand up and submissions as well.

  • MKE_04

    I think Chael Vs. Rashad would be a more exciting matchup. Both are coming off losses to the current champs.

  • Jeff

    After reading all these comments a few things come to mind. First and foremost, it never ceases to amaze me how quickly the down spiral begins. By the 3rd or 4th comment someone is insulting someone else. Is this bcuz of the demographic or human nature? 2nd I think if chael could make 170 the GSP fight might b a good one. 3rd, while GSP is a phenomenal athlete, I just don’t see what he has for SILVA except lay n pray. If it stayed on the feet he would be ko’d before the 3rd. He has ZERO chance of finishing SILVA. If someone thinks differently, please intelligently cite any and all examples of how.