Alistair Overeem’s Chances of Fighting at UFC 146 Are Dim, Kizer Reveals 14 to 1 Ratio in Testing

April 5, 2012
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The chances of Alistair Overeem fighting at UFC 146 seem to be dwindling by the minute as the former K-1 Grand Prix champion deals with a positive drug test from the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

On Wednesday, Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Director Keith Kizer released results from testing done after the UFC 146 kickoff press conference in Las Vegas. Overeem was the lone fighter that tested positive.

Overeem’s results came back with an elevated level of testosterone at a more than 10 to 1 ratio (testosterone vs. epitestosterone). Nevada allows up to a 6 to 1 ratio for testosterone, which has been a point of debate, which Kizer explained when speaking to MMAWeekly Radio on Thursday.

“In this situation, we did get a positive test of elevated T/E ratio for Mr. Overeem. I notified the commission, I notified the promoter, and had them notify Mr. Overeem, and that’s where we stand,” Kizer told MMAWeekly Radio.

“The ratio came back greater than 10 to 1. We use the old WADA (World Anti-Doping Agencey) cut off, which is 6 to 1, some places use 4 to 1, there’s still a bit of debate on that. Because there are some athletes that are naturally 5 to 1, I for one would not want to brand them cheaters and tout false positives, but I guess other people would. But we use the 6 to 1 ratio there, and this was greater than 10 to 1.”

On Thursday morning, Kizer received the final results back from Overeem’s test and they totaled out at a 14 to 1 ratio for his testosterone levels.

Now the next move for Overeem will land in one of a couple places. He can either contest the testing and have his “B” sample tested or opt to appear in front of the commission for a licensing hearing.

As of today, Overeem’s camp has not requested his “B” sample be tested.

“He’s got some time,” Kizer said about how long Overeem has to request a second test be done. “As I understand it, if an ‘A’ sample comes back positive, the lab keeps that for quite a long time. If it comes back negative, they basically toss it after a couple of weeks assuming there is no further request for the ‘B’ sample. So they’d have the ‘B’ sample for quite a while, but I would assume if he’s going to request a ‘B’ sample testing, he should do it sometime this month.”

The “B” sample was taken at the same time as the “A” sample following the UFC 146 press conference in late March.

“We’ve had that in about 10 or so cases where athletes have asked for that,” Kizer said about a potential “B” sample test. “They can either ask for the original lab, in this case Quest Diagnostics, to run the ‘B’ sample test, or they can ask for it to be transported to some other accredited lab. It can be any other lab in the country as long as they have proper accreditation, and proper legitimacy, and in that case there would be a slight delay because there would have to be lab-to-lab communications, to find out how the second lab wants the sample transported, make sure the chain of custody is kept intact, security, safety, things like that. It then gets to that lab, they run the tests, and then they’d report both to us and the athlete.”

If Overeem makes the request and allows Quest Diagnostics to run the tests, the results would come back in approximately a week. If he requests the tests run at another lab, Kizer said he would expect a slight delay, but would hope for results in about two weeks.

Here’s where Overeem’s problems then mount. In the history of the Nevada State Athletic Commission’s drug testing, no ‘B’ sample has ever fully exonerated a fighter for a positive ‘A’ sample.

“They always come back positive, except for one case we had a fighter, I think he was positive for six different, the lab found six specific prohibitive substances in his sample, the ‘B’ sample was tested and it did come back negative for one of those drugs, which myself and the attorney generals, we immediately dropped that from the complaint, dropped that one prohibitive substance,” Kizer explained.

“We weren’t even asked to do so, we did it on our own accord, the tie goes to the runner as I said back then, and I still say, but we still proceed with the others and he ended up getting a 12-month suspension and a big fine. Not with us (has a fighter’s test ever come back at a legal level). It may have happened with other drug testing groups, WADA or USADA (United States Anti-Doping Agency) may have had it, or other groups, but not with us.”

So unless something unprecedented happens and a second sample comes back negative, Overeem’s only choice is to appear before the commission for a licensing hearing.

“There would be no disciplinary punishment, but it would be grounds of denial of a license, and if the commission denies him a license, he’d be barred for at least a year for reapplying,” Kizer said.

“Unless the ‘B’ sample is tested and comes back negative, he would need to appear before the commission and the commission would make its decision and they could use the failed drug test as grounds for denial of license.”

A hearing would be held for Overeem with the commission where he would be held accountable for the positive drug test, and then they would make their final ruling regarding his application.

“It would be a commission hearing and then it would be no different than any other similar situation where a fighter had some issues and had to appear before the commission. We had it with Mr. Overeem back in December,” said Kizer.

As of now, the situation would appear to be pretty bleak for Overeem to end up appearing on the UFC 146 fight card, but as of right now no decision has been made by the promotion regarding his status in the main event fight against UFC heavyweight champion Junior dos Santos.

MMAWeekly.com will continue to follow this story as it develops.


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  • pooby

    Wow. Even a bottle of Overeems piss could kick my ass.

  • hollafront1314

    “Wow. Even a bottle of Overeems piss could kick my ass”
    thats funny lol but honestly im sick of this steroid news..its only news when they get caught and all of the ufc fighters use it in some way…if you get caught you’re a moron according to dana if you dont you’re making us money..

    • Lesnardo

      Well, Dana like many of us suspected that the Reem was on something.

      And given that Dana is in the business, unlike us, he probably had heard from various inside sources of the Reem’s substance usage before he signed the Reem.

      So yeah…Dana didn’t mind unless Reem got caught.

      The Reem could get fired if he ends up not fighting JDS on this event.

      I guess we will see Reem on Dream beating up tomato cans in impressive ways. Brock should go to Japan and fight tomato cans as well.

      • maddawgmar

        Lesnardo, are you like this in real life. The “well actually” guy in the room. Just chime in on any conversation, invited or not, and correct someone, whether your right or not.

  • Lesnardo

    Thiago Silva’s animal sample.

    The Reem is a beast. They should raise the threshold to 20 to 1 ratio for the Reem.

  • Iamrozylo

    Totally agree. If Dana actually have a ****, he’d implement a proper, stricter testing program.

    • smill0313

      It makes zero sence for zuffa to institute their own policies above and beyond what the state athletic commission has set up. There are only a small percentage of fighters who juice and they all will eventually be caught when they get their cycle timing wrong. I will say that the commission should deny licensing to anyone on trt until atleast 3 months after completion of the ‘therapy’ to negate an obvious loophole in the system.

      • KBEsq

        “It makes zero ‘sence’?” I think it makes good sense for the UFC to implement testing at this point. This sport is just being shown on FOX to massive audiences who are not already fans. There is a good chance that all these scandals will curse the sport. We don’t want the new fans to look at UFC fighters as a bunch of roid-raged freaks.

  • RubeKegal

    I hope they ban this jerkoff. The guy is the poster child for steroids.

    Hollafront, that’s a ridiculous statement to say everyone uses it. If “everyone” used it, alot would have come back positive from the surprise testing.

    I think there’s a lot of people that don’t use and are still successful.

    Great fighters like the Ultimate American Matt Hughes, the Ultimate Brit Bisping, the Ultimate Chin Hendo, the Ultimate Spider Anderson, and The Road Warrior Jonathan Goulet aka tap his chin and he shall be onconscious.

  • matty

    What the he’ll is a tomato can?

    • smill0313

      A fighter brought in to pad another fighters resume. Not throw the fight per se, but has no real chance of winning and will tap at slightest damage for quick payday. 90% of fedors wins are against cans and it looks like rampage wants to finish his career doing the same.

      • Cptmats

        Your an Idiot !

  • TKD

    This is all bullsh*t. If you want to get serious, and I am including pro sports as a whole, you give a life long ban on anyone found using steroids. 4 to 1 ratio, 6 to 1 ratio, whatever. Come up with a solid ratio and stick to it. Enough with taking 33% of the fighter’s prize money…Or a one year ban. I guarantee you if they knew it was one strike and you’re out, it would reduce all of this sh*t to a very small number.

    This a-hole is at a 14 to 1 level, and we are going to be fed some horse shit that he drank an energy drink, or took a vitamin that elevated his testosterone levels. Or maybe he will come up with the Sonnen bullsh*t of low testosterone levels…

    I don’t overly give a sh*t about some a**hole that takes steroids to hit a ball over the fence, but this sport could lead to an innocent martial artist getting murdered in a fight against some jag*ff that takes illegal drugs.

    Everyone needs to take a stand against steroids in sports. A real stand against it!

    • switchkick

      Well said, at the end of the day it’s cheating no matter how you look at it. Taking drugs to boost performance should result in life time ban – If the risk is extreme no one would do it!

      • MaritalArtist

        Not sure what the best course of action should be for the UFC. I’ve heard arguments from all sides. Here’s my 2 cents: have a slightly more lenient maximum level, and a reduced level for 1st time offenders. You get one mulligan and that’s all:

        Maximum ratio allowed: 8:1.
        If you fail once, you get a year suspension and now your maximum is 6:1.

        Repeat offenders ate banned for life from the entire zuffa organization.

        Just some ideas…

        • TKD

          I think the “repeat offenders” situation is the problem here. No second chances here. I know that shooting and killing someone will FOREVER result in the loss of my freedom. So, no matter how angry I might get at someone, I wouldn’t kill them. If I knew I got a second or third chance the story might not be the same. I know it’s an extreme example, but it is similar in principal.

          One time caught, and you are out forever!

  • tomkevill

    except of course testosterone isnt steroids or even in the same league as steroids. i just find it odd that guys like dan henderson, chael sonnen and rampage can use testosterone but dont get tested out of competition for it. for them all they have to do is test within the limits come fight time. Maybe overeem will produce a doctors note saying he is using trt and that he just happened to get tested right after a dose. from what ive read from the articles lately its pretty easy to get yourself qualified to use trt. if overeem is cheating by using testosterone to artificially affect his natural levels then so is anyone else who uses it. pretty simple.

    • ajmadic

      lol, what? Testosterone isn’t steroids? Testosterone Enanthate, Propionate and Cypionate are all steroids.

      • tomkevill

        my mistake was going off an article i read a while back. wasnt official but i guess it does backup my stance that all those other fighters i mentioned are cheating as well since technically they are all juicing or on roids seeing as testosterone is the same as steroids apparently. i dont get why someone is allowed to use steroids to better there competitive edge on any level. without steroids dan henderson might not of beaten fedor, sonnen wouldnt be getting a rematch and rampage wouldnt “feel like hes 24 again” but they are all allowed their usage as long as they past the piss test at fight time lol.

  • http://www.bloodyfists.net/forums/index.php SHORT_BUS

    If the “B” sample comes back positive (and it will) he will not apply for a license. The only way they can impose a penalty/suspension is if he applies for a license. If he applies for a license they can deny his request and tell he can’t apply for another 6, 9, 12… months. Other states would likely recognize that sanction and honor it as well.

    If he doesn’t apply, they can’t do anything to him. This is just like Sonnen’s situation when the CSAC tried to hold a second set of hearings to lengthen his suspension only to realize his license had since expired and they no longer had authority over him.

    Overeem is free to fight in states other than Nevada. I would suggest not applying for a license in New Jersey, California, Ohio or any other state that has a full functioning, proactive commission any time soon though. Places like Texas who seem to be somewhat lax would be where I’d expect to see him fight next, although I doubt it will be any time soon. The brass at Zuffa knows how to play the game and giving him a fight right away would be kind of a slap in the face to the NSAC. Zuffa will probably put him on ice until things cool down.

    • TKD

      Who in their right mind would sign to fight a guy that is so overloaded with testosterone? He might as well start applying for a license on Mars!

    • phrankthetank

      They can’t penalize him without a license, but he can’t fight without a license… So he’s pretty much screwed.

      • http://www.bloodyfists.net/forums/index.php SHORT_BUS

        He can’t fight in Nevada but he can fight elsewhere. He’s only screwed in Nevada.

        • phrankthetank

          True, but do you honestly think any commission will grant him a license?

          • http://www.bloodyfists.net/forums/index.php SHORT_BUS

            Happens all the time. Texas is a prime example of a state with lax standards. Illinois seems to be somewhat relaxed as well.

            California denied Antonio Margarito a license so he applied in Texas and was granted one. Antonia Silva had unresolved issues from a steroid test, yet Illinois licensed him. And Sonnen still had a cloud of uncertainty around him after the CSAC tried (unsuccessfully) to impose further penalties against him, yet Texas welcomed him with open arms.

          • phrankthetank

            Fair enough

  • phrankthetank

    Personally I don’t give a shit about overeem, I read an article a while back that talked about the lineal heavyweight champion, a “title” overeem currently holds. This fight would finally unify the lineal title with the UFC heavyweight title. I thought that was a pretty cool concept except that now it won’t and may never happen.

  • z999

    Karma Overeem. Cheaters never prosper, just like all the other cheaters in MMA. Go play tiddly winks with King Mo.

  • smill0313

    Is there seriously even one person who is surprised about this? Who did not know that overeem juices? Its like being surprised that amy whinehouse died of a drug overdose.

    • KBEsq

      Totally, it’s really not about being surprised that someone juices anymore. It’s more about being surprised that fighters are so dumb as to not be able to get it out of their system by the time they are tested.

      MMA is different than other sports, and it warrants more strict and randomized testing. In no other sport are you completely using every part of your body to dominate another person to win. The closest thing is a lineman in football, but even there, that’s just one position, and one very narrow aspect of the sport.

      Roids need to be out of this sport completely, and they need to be out before MMA is completely shifted to free T.V.

      • Anthony

        Good luck with that dream. Youd have a better chance finding a porno that didnt star Ron Jeremy then watching a juice free UFC fight–how bout Nate Diaz vs Roy Nelson.. that might be an exception to the rule…..lol