“A Lotta Late!” UFC Pres Dana White Critical of Munoz vs. Weidman’s Late Stoppage

July 12, 2012
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Mark Munoz at UFC on Fuel TV 4Fighter safety is solely in the hands of the referee while inside the cage during any combat sport, and referee Josh Rosenthal failed Mark Munoz at UFC on Fuel TV 4: Munoz vs. Weidman on Wednesday night, according to UFC president Dana White.

During the second round of the main event, Munoz unloaded a wild right hand and in the process was caught by a well-placed, right elbow by Chris Weidman that hurt the middleweight contender.  Munoz fell to the canvas and Weidman followed him.  Weidman delivered several unanswered blows before referee Rosenthal stepped in to stop the slaughter.

Munoz was face down on the canvas eating right hand after right hand, unable to defend himself.

The referee’s primary objective is to protect the competitors, but on Wednesday, a referee failed a fighter in the main event on Fuel TV.

“It was a bad stoppage,” said White in a Fuel TV interview following the event.

He declared Rosenthal’s stoppage as, “A lotta late.”  He continued, “I hate that. It drives me crazy.  How you can be standing like this looking down at a guy getting hammered like that and not think the fight needs to be stopped?”

There’s little argument from anyone who has seen the footage that Munoz endured unnecessary damage.


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  • Bob

    I was thinking that one of the corner men should have a button to press that would be the same as throwing in the towel and would sound the horn.

    I mean everyone- except the ref- knew he was out cold or very close to it.

    • ifighterc

      It was late but I can’t believe it’s gotten all this attention I see stoppages like this all the time, if Dana wouldn’t have said anything about the stoppage nobody would remember it, let alone write an article

  • KBEsq

    Before I say this, I just want to agree that the stoppage was late, Munoz took unnecessary damage, and Rosenthal made a mistake.

    However, I didn’t think it was THAT bad. I unfortunately missed the fight last night, and went and saw the fans’ reactions before I saw the fight. I was expecting to see something outrageous after seeing the forum reactions.

    I think Rosenthal got confused because Munoz keep lifting his head up and it looked like he may come back. I think a lot of refs nowadays are more inclined to stop a fight late than stop one early. WAY more people complain about early stoppages than late ones.

    I agree they’re professionals, but it’s got to be tough being a ref sometimes. You need to stop every fight at the exact perfect time, or you’ll have people calling for your head.

    • jonnypatrick

      It sounds like you still haven’t watched it! Not THAT bad??? WTF dude, he was out before he face planted on the mat, his head was moving from the punches not him lifting his head. I hate early stoppages as much as anyone but that was terrible.

      • Maine2Alaska

        sounds like u didnt watch it.. “face planted on the matt”? i must of missed that part,, he went down, thats a fact, definitely didnt face plant.

        • jonnypatrick

          First of it is a mat, Matt is a persons name. I am pretty sure when your face hits the mat instead of your hands that’s considered a face plant. Seems like a petty arguement, but whatever. The point I was making is that he was out before he hit the mat, maybe he didn’t face plant in your opinion but in mine he did.

          • Maine2Alaska

            Hey,Hey, i believe u meant “first off”

            whats up with people crying about gramar in here? Im not sitting up right typing,. im on my stomach typing on a key board hooked up to a broken laptop hooked up to my tv at 12:30 midnight. Anywase face planting in my opinion would have shown the ref that he was completely out, I face planted one time after swinging 5 cops all around me trying to arrest me. Someone locked my feet up and “timber!!!” splash! face planted right on the deck..

            I’m woried this is going to have a negative effect on referees.. they dont want Dana to blastem out so they are gonna stop even earlier now..

          • jonnypatrick

            Touche’, I never really correct people, so I guess it’s fitting that I spelled something wrong while doing so! I will agree with you about not wanting the refs to stop the fight to early. I wasn’t asking for the ref to be punished like some of these guys I was just saying it was a late stoppage. I still think he was out cold before he hit the mat.

  • kylesmith

    Doesn’t compare to some of the stoppages in the early UFC’s. Munoz is a tough, tough dude and this ain’t the ballet. He’ll be fine.

    • jonnypatrick

      No **** he will be fine, that’s not the point. It’s the refs job to protect the fighters.

    • adam1848

      Has nothing to do with being tough. It has to do with the effects on his neurological system of taking multiple undefended shots to the head while in a state of semi-consciousness. I’m not saying he’s not going to recover fully, I’m just saying it is really bad for the brain and I personally would have liked to see the fight stopped 6-8 shots sooner.

      • macgrubber

        ” I personally would have liked to see the fight stopped 6-8 shots sooner”

        ahhh how cute some1 has a crush on munoz. Plz do not post on here until your balls drop. Thanks bro.

        • adam1848

          I care about the safety of fighters. I have friends who compete and I’ve been backstage with the doctors after someone has taken a serious beating and I have no love for it. I enjoy competition and the intensity that MMA delivers, but I respect these fighters as human beings with families, and not just props for my amusement.

        • jonnypatrick

          Macgrubber you are a d-bag. I enjoy a good old fashioned fist fight at the local bar as much as the next man but this is a sanctioned sport. It’s not a “Bloodsport” it’s MMA and I enjoy watching the fights. I enjoyed the early UFC fights as well but as you all know times have changed, hell you could smoke any where back then. As a nation we are getting over taken by liberals and when they see late stoppages like this one it adds fuel to their fire. I actually enjoy the bloddy fights and seeing a KO is always fun, but when someone is out cold the refs job is to stop the fight.

          • Maine2Alaska

            Cool, i guess i’llleave you alone if your a conservative. You cant even go out side and smoke in alot of places. Pretty soon you wont be able to drink a big gulp from 7-11

          • jonnypatrick

            Maine2Alska, see we have more in common than you think! It’s good to know that I’m not alone!

  • b-soc

    Well, these guys have to make on the spot judgement calls, so we can’t come down on them for both ways. Either you instruct refs to say better an early stoppage than a later one or let it go till someone’s head bounces off the mat.

    A ****load of people said Sonnen wasn’t done and it was stopped to early. Now this fight. One or the other guys! I prefer too early – less chance of brain damage.

  • jonnypatrick

    What’s up mmaweekly? My comments are always awaiting moderation..

  • illeeturbabys

    It was pretty bad, but I’ve seen worse, and if u look at it from th angle behind the ref u can c munoz’s eyes open and lookin at the ref then he goes out and takes 4 or 5 extra punches

  • Maine2Alaska

    i liked it, i liked the un easy feeling i had watching it. a guy getting punished for being in a sport like this. It brought me back to the old days of this sport, where it was actualy scary.. as to now, more than likely you get clipped, and its done. We need more of this in my opinion.. This is a blood sport. Lets not forget that guys.. PERIOD.

    • WhatTheCHUCK303

      Wow next time cut and paste to an email or word document. An english teacher could use your comment as incorrect english/grammar problem. I get your point to a degree but ignorant people like you give haters all their ammo they need. Spell check Bro

      • WhatTheCHUCK303

        I am sorry for calling you ignorant. Uncalled for

      • macgrubber

        Hey bro this is an mmaweekly forum not a classroom no1 cares about spelling.

  • WhatTheCHUCK303

    Ok everyone agrees late stoppage but don’t bring up brain damage for a 15 second trauma vs what Joey Beltran endored for 15 minutes. What he faced causes brain damage. Calm down Dana white simply made an observation to an isolated event

    • Maine2Alaska

      great point..

    • adam1848

      Its not a great point. Their is a difference between taking shots while aware with all of your muscle groups in you neck and upper body responding property and being punched in the head over and over again while you are unaware of what is happening to you. What Beltran took is not healthy either, but at least it was his conscious decision to continue fighting and not a case of being let down by the ref. If people just like the thrill of seeing people beat down and bloodied up and knocked unconscious thats fine… no judgement…but thats not why I am into the sport.

      • adam1848

        yes, i know how to spell “there” for all of you grammar cops.

      • Maine2Alaska

        lol Im sure he didnt feel a thing. the ground was keeping his “neck muscles” straight.

  • Maine2Alaska

    Anyone notice the picture to this thread? blood litteraly squirting out of Munoz’s face.. awesome picture.

  • phrankthetank

    That was a bad stoppage, MMA isn’t what it was in the beginning, an uneasy blood bath. if it was the UFC would have been bankrupt a decade ago and the sport would consist of tank abbot-esque dudes punching eachother in the face outside of a biker bar. Rules and weight classes are what saved the sport. Munoz took way too much punishment, but it’s still better than a boxer getting knocked out and getting back up 5 times in a fight.

    • Maine2Alaska

      Ive been watching for ever much like you guys im sure. I understand that if the UFC didnt change up their rules, rounds, weight classes, etc.. they most likely wouldnt be around just for Legality purposes alone. So, no more Jerry Bohlander vs Scott Forozos anymore.. too bad. But, Since we have these rules now.. It bothers me somewhat that we are gonna get more people signing that dotted line without that fear that their gonna get really messed up. For once i wanna see a guy scared and possibly tap, not from being submitted, but because they are getting hit and they know the ref isnt gonna dive in and tackle their agressor for striking them the first 2 seconds they are getting punched. That to me, and this is MY opinion, would weed out the “scaredy Cats” and add a little more dimension to the sport. I Think thist stoppage was just right.. and people are just shocked because we are use to the early stoppages.. I say, what a breath of fresh air!

      • jonnypatrick

        Anyone stepping into the octagon isn’t a “scaredy cat” and besides that you are contradicting yourself now. First you enjoy seeing the blood bath and now you are saying you want to see someone tap because they are scared to get beat down. I’m confused on your stance here. Which one is it????

        • Maine2Alaska

          because it will “weed out the scaredy cats”.. understand buddy?? How embarrissing would it be ? you think you would be back to the UFC after that? i wouldnt..

          • Maine2Alaska

            i’m sure there are a lot of these guys that just havent been weeded out yet.. I really beg to differ my friend

          • jonnypatrick

            I can see youir point. I like how they make you fight to get on the Ultimate Fighter to weed out the pu$$ies so I guess in a way I agree.

      • phrankthetank

        There’s a HUGE difference between someone tapping because they dont want to get hit anymore and a dude being unconscious pouring blood and having a dude smash his face in.

        • jonnypatrick

          I agree Phrank

        • Maine2Alaska

          I agree theres a huge difference. but theres a scenario for each fight stoppage. This was really late stoppage for todays standards, but for me, it was perfect!

          • Maine2Alaska

            because sometimes guys will get hit 2 or 3 times and snap out of it..

          • blabla

            I counted 15-16 punches while Munoz was limp.

          • phrankthetank

            2-3 hits maybe, but we’re talking 12-13 hits… There was nothing perfect about that stoppage. You’re entitled to your opinion of course, but I just can’t see how in any way that stoppage could be considered perfect or anything close to it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chr.eri.5 chreri

    It’s Josh Rosenthal. On the record, he is the one who did NOT stop the Brock Lesnar fight when he was turtling against Shane Carwin. He was getting good feedback for not stopping it early. And because of that, he also didn’t stop the Cain Velasquez vs Antonio Silva fight which was clearly needed to stop earlier than it had to. Same goes with Munoz.

    • Maine2Alaska

      True…

    • RubeKegal

      great point

  • leeoil

    Did anyone other than me notice how big Weidman looked in the post fight interview? It would be interesting to know what he weighed during the fight. He made Chael S. and S. Bonner look small in comparison. He is a huge middleweight and that is why he has and will do so well in that division. I bet he was close to 210-215 lbs easily.

  • blabla

    I don’t understand how anyone can look at this as nothing but a disgrace. Munoz was out limp when he received 15-16 punches, almost all of which connected. Just watching the video for the first time I thought wtf??? This referee should never officiate an MMA fight ever again.

    I also think Weidman is a scumbag. I understand 1, 2, OK let’s be generous, 3 punches when your opponent is out and limp, due to the heat of the moment, adrenaline rush, etc. But 15+? I hope Silva breaks every single bone in his face.

    • guy

      You must be new. I’m fairly certain any training camp will tell you to keep striking until the match is officially called. Blaming Weidman for doing his job is ridiculous